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A good commentary from the Bangkok Post (Wednesday 25 May 2005) on BMTA and the concessionaries.... As I expect the direct link to be broken soon, let me paste it in its entirety:
COMMENTARY Say a prayer before getting on the bus Saritdet Marukatat Who's next? For all users of the public bus system in Bangkok and the suburbs, from office workers to students, this is the undesirable question they ask themselves every morning before leaving home. Every time they get on the bus and pay the fare, they expect good, reliable and safe service from the operator in return. But in reality, what many get is not up to expectations, if not downright hair-raising. Hence it is not surprising that bus commuters always cry foul at the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority, the state enterprise under the Transport Ministry which runs the service and at the same time grants private firms concessions on some routes. Given that accidents involving buses happen regularly, it is certain that customers' complaints never reach BMTA officials, or that the agency simply turns a blind eye to what occurs. If BMTA officials cared about passengers, new tragedies would not happen. The latest victim was Issriyaporn Hongapichotesakul, a third-year student at Bangkok University, who fell and was run over while getting on Bus No 528 at the stop in front of Major Cineplex Ratchayothin on May 14. The driver said he was closing the doors and did not realise a passenger was there. The tragedy prompted BMTA chief Poksak Sethabutr to order 63 private operators working with the agency to draw up a plan on how to improve the service. And they must send it to him ''as soon as possible''. The order came with the threat that concessions would be rescinded from any private firm whose improvement plans fail to satisfy the BMTA. Nobody is excited about this. Indeed, the call sounds familiar to bus riders who see nothing new in it. A warning always comes after an accident. For a while after that, everything goes back to square one, as if nothing had happened _ until there is another accident. This vicious cycle keeps repeating itself. The public heard the same thing after a similar accident on Sept 14 last year. That was when Piyathida Chotimanas, a fourth-year student at Assumption University, fell off Bus No 207 while boarding, on Ramkhamhaeng road. She was treated under intensive care for a week before succumbing to severe brain injuries. In 2002, Bus No 1141 killed seven people at Bang Na intersection. The accident occurred because the driver was racing with another bus to pick up passengers. He lost control and the bus veered across to the other side of the road. And certainly, the latest accident on May 14 will not be the last one. What the BMTA worries about is not the safety and satisfaction of its customers. Officials are preoccupied with the plan to receive an ISO 9001:2000 qualification on all 108 bus routes the BMTA operates. It is encouraging to say that the service provided by BMTA buses is getting better as a result of that. And this is good for passengers. But there are another 63 routes operated by private firms. And therein lies the problem. The BMTA, as a regulator, has failed to monitor and use its muscle to make sure private buses offer the same standard of service as the BMTA to the paying public. What passengers get from most private buses is: a vehicle in an abysmal state, reckless driving by the person behind the wheel, and sometimes ruthless behaviour by the conductor. The problem gets even worse when it comes to the minibuses painted green, because of the way they run and treat customers. Blaming the BMTA alone is not fair. The ministry, including Transport Minister Suriya Jungrungreangkit, must take most of the responsibility. The ministry seems to misplace its priority by trying to find ways to end the loss-making operation, including a warning to slash subsidies. What it should do before anything else is to make the BMTA work efficiently and safely for the public. It should make sure that all buses carrying the BMTA logo _ including the private ones _ give passengers better treatment and improve safety standards. Passengers are fed up hearing about the BMTA's threats to bus operators. What they wonder is how many more passengers will be killed before the agency and ministry get serious about improvements. Saritdet Marukatat is Deputy News Editor, Bangkok Post
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It's OUR kharma!
And say a prayer just to be on the same road as a bus!
Picture this. Stationary car in the middle of a busy road waiting to turn right. Two buses racing down the hill towards him abreast and frantically hooting their horns for the car to clear the road for their antics. (The same route everyday obviously wears a bit thin to the average speed freak.) But the car is blocked from moving either way by other moving vehicles. Just as the car occupants think they are going to die, a space in the traffic allows the buses to pass by on either side of him; just squeezing past other oncoming vehicles. This happens every day on the Hat-Yai to Songkhla route. It's obvious that the famous company concerned have the traffic commissioners completely by the nuts. After decades of killing their own passengers, other roadusers & pedestrians; they're still regularly getting away with flat-out murder. By all accounts, they drove the more careful companies off the road years ago; and doubtless they're already putting a few spanners in the works of any sensible local transit projects. Last edited by GWR; 16-01-09 at 09:28 PM.. |
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much more as just 63 private routes
there may well be 63 private BMTAconcessionaires (they change by the day, splitting and grouping), but they run far more as that nr of lines, in fact many more as the greenstriped BMTA itself. Do not have my list here at hand, but I would say some 150 private and BMTA now less as 100 (counting the 'normal 1-207, with gaps and the all AC 501-547, forgetting the Microbus (never hear much about accidents from them, but their nrs. are dwindling) and the .10.000 small minibuses/vans, and certainly not the 100s of old, remaining cowboy-operated green small minibuses.
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A few thoughts on this;
1) Obviously it all stems from a lax regulatory and enforcement environment, 2) endemic corruption by compliance authorities undermines attempts to redress such problems, 3) systemic lax road safety attitudes in society where unsafe driving is tolerated, if not encourage esp. by bus companies in order to maximise turn around times of buses, 4) poor planning at bus stops and on roads maximise the opportunity for bus users and pedestrians to be struck (let along the fact that a bus can stop about 6 times at one stop!), 5) a lack of a proper civil liability laws (payouts to thais always seem to be very low) plus little chance of criminal liability for directors/managers of companies when death or serious injury occurs. As no thai decision makers, or their family, take buses this situation is allowed to be unresolved which is very unfortunate given the good bus stock (intercity) and cheap prices. Unfortunately it will probably take a few accidents involving the deaths of tourists, esp. farang, before the local and intercity buses have to adhere to some safety standards. Perhaps there are cultural factors at play as well in respect of 'buddhist fatalism' and not wanting to confront or make conflict in resolving some issues. I worked in Afghanistan all last year and was surprised that Afghans are so fatalistic when it comes to death (given the last 25yrs there perhaps hardly surprising). I wouldn't suggest that such fatalism is as strong here but the tolerating lax safety should have some limits. The blunt fact seems to be that there is an attitude within the bus comp.s and authorities responsible that thais lives are expendable (unless of course your important or rich) when it comes to bus safety. |
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Very valid comments.
The incident below involved a truck, but it might just as easily have involved a bus. Something similar happened to someone who fell under a bus in bangkok recently. The conductor told the driver to 'go', because the girl was 'already dead. NOT SO! A girl was run over by a truck on the Mittrapharp (Friendship) Highway a few years back. The truck ran back over her twice in an effort to kill her. I wouldn't like to say whether the motive was to put her out of her misery, get rid of a witness or a combination of both. She didn't die, but will be in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. It's almost impossible for her to be allowed to do something meaningful with her life. Society wishes to condemn her to a life of watching TV. Last edited by GWR; 08-06-05 at 04:58 PM.. |
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(In order to clarify: I am talking about Thai TV here. I've long been contemplating posting a rant about it, but I realized any attempt would be futile, as words don't suffice to describe its horrors.......) Actually the truck driver should be codemned to this terrible punishment. ![]()
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They punish the innocent for just 'being there', in the way of the guilty. (But of course, they are not guilty; their kharma has just had a slightly off-day.)
It's partly a case of 'don't sweat the small stuff'. You are free to ride around half-asleep yakking on your mobile, smoking a fag, with five other folks on the MC & a poodle, throwing your trash everywhere and swerving all over the road. You are not free to gain any redress from anyone even slightly more powerful than you, when they stomp all over you with the same degree of abandoned carelessness. |
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Sometimes as I negotiate my way around the so called footpaths in BKK, and other Thai cities, and dodge vehicles that never give way to me, I fanticise about having a few key decisions makers/urban planners strapped into a wheelchair, or loaded up with a pram, for a few weeks and told to get around on foot.... |
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An unusually good Post editorial with reflecting much of the sentiments posted earlier. The last sentence is particulalry pertainent.
EDITORIAL Children pay the price of idiocy (BKK Post 25/06/05) Tuesday's heartrending tragedy in which two kindergarten pupils died and 20 others were badly injured when their overloaded and antiquated school vehicle careened off the road in Phayao province, was but the latest in a long chain of highway horrors The driver was probably the only person with the full knowledge of what happened and he did not survive the accident. There is speculation that the van, which had been converted to a school bus, swerved to avoid an oncoming heavy truck or just simply fell apart because of its age and poor condition. Whatever the cause, there was clearly a degree of negligence involved. In all likelihood, this constitutes a repetition of the same old troubling pattern which characterises most fatal road accidents in this country and that is careless and reckless driving in unsafe vehicles. Improvements in safety standards of school buses would certainly help reduce the fatality rate of students whenever these vehicles are involved in a major accident. An equally serious problem is the lack of proper driver education for bus and truck drivers who have been blamed for the worst traffic violations. This has long been promised but there are still no signs of the plans taking shape to set up defensive driving schools throughout the country and introduce compulsory driving courses. These would teach drivers the rudiments of safe driving. They would learn that the base which supports all other considerations of safe driving is courtesy and consideration for other road users, regardless of the size of their vehicle. If drivers of regular and public service vehicles cannot understand the value of courtesy and consideration, they are lost before they start. The compulsory lessons need to drive home the principle of cause and effect. If a driver passes on a curve or hill (the cause), they are likely to have a head-on collision (the effect). Forget all about might equalling right. That's the law of the jungle. There has always been talk about tightening up on the issuance of driving licences for public transport and follow-up driving tests for truck and bus drivers. This is heard every time a fatal accident occurs involving a bus or a truck. Tragically, little action results from all the talk and the matter quickly fades from memory as soon as the public outcry has subsided. Road accidents have taken place so often that many among us may take them for granted as something which is unavoidable. Pictures of a mangled car, pick-up or bus, the lifeless bodies wrapped in white cloth and pain and agony registered on the faces of relatives and other loved ones are all too familiar. But without decisive action, such appalling events will just keep on repeating themselves with the dead being reduced to mere statistics. Too many people have died unnecessarily. And most disturbing of all is the fact that reckless drivers are still allowed to rule the streets and pose as great a threat as ever. One effective training technique is for the police to videotape the actions of bad drivers and then present them with the video evidence of their misdemeanours. It is only when they watch their behaviour that drivers actually realise how great a hazard they pose to other road users. Without this evidence, most consider the other person or someone else to be the danger. This can be more effective than fines. In the final analysis, only concerted action by the government, with carefully thought-out legislation, can make a difference. Rarely in the past have ministers and their senior advisers dealt directly with the consequences of the ignorance of drivers and the resulting chaos and heartache that their shortcomings can cause. Perhaps if they were not shielded from reality behind the tinted windows of their chauffeur-driven limousines, and further isolated by a police escort, they would gain a greater understanding of the problem. |
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Having forgotten to perform the following quick maintainence chore on truck brakes myself on a few occasions, I have some sympathy. But I suspect that he had already been alerted to his earlier mistake by some problem. It usually takes a few days for water levels to build up to a dangerous extent, but I suppose it might be less in a very humid environment: -
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Oh No! Even more half-trained psychopaths behind the wheel!?
Sounds like a bit too much of a quick-fix:
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at least as of today, wed. 17/2/10=2553, the worst of the worst, the green minibuses, should be off the road. They were reduced in number on most routes and got gradually replaced by either orange minibuses, slightly larger and running on NGV/gas or more and more by shiny brand new yellow Chinese made SUNLONG AC-buses (often with flat fare of 10 THB).
Green mini-buses on a road to nowhere - Rogue operators face arrest, ministry warns BKK Post 17/02/2010 Operators of Bangkok's green mini-buses must cease services from today or face arrest, the Transport Ministry says. Transport officials will patrol city streets and arrest operators who continue to run the vehicles after today, Deputy Transport Minister Suchart Chokechaiwatanakorn, who oversees bus services, said yesterday. "The Transport Ministry will not extend the deadline again," he said. "This is to improve the public transit service for the sake of passenger safety and quality of life." Mini-bus operators may rally at the Royal Plaza today to demand the deadline be extended. The ministry had given operators five years to replace their old buses with new vehicles. Operators who flout the deadline will be arrested and lose their licences, he said. The deadline could be extended on a case-by-case basis for individual operators who might have been cheated by their bus suppliers, he said. The operators must file for an extension with the ministry which will decide on the matter within 15 days. Today's deadline affects about 700 green mini-buses. The state Bangkok Mass Transit Authority (BMTA) has prepared about 500 substitute buses which Mr Suchart said would be enough to maintain existing services. He said operators of the green mini-buses were required to commission new orange or yellow, natural gas-fuelled buses. BMTA staff yesterday expressed support for the ministry's policy. But some 50 green mini-bus operators submitted a letter asking Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva to extend the deadline for another six months. Sunimit Meethip, head of a mini-bus operators' club, said the group operated about 400 green mini-buses but had only been able to procure 38 new buses because the Land Transport Department had not endorsed the import of other buses from China. The operators would lose 1,600 baht in income a bus a day if the Transport Ministry imposed the ban from today, he said. Mr Sunimit said the operators had been slow to buy replacement buses, but that was because they could not secure funding. Last edited by Yappofloyd; 18-02-10 at 11:57 AM.. Reason: Post article added |
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well-it seemed to be quite effective. Even good old BMTA had to jump in and provide some extra red buses on routes 1 and 17 and 82-due to the large nr of not-replaced green things (and they did already on the nr 6).
Of course their drivers will mostly transfer to the new orange buses. But these still seem so new that they hesitate to treat them like old. The new all-yellow Chinese buses are quite good-for the time being and a snip at just 10 bt. As always-maintenance will be the weak point-wait and see how they look like after 2-3 years. BTW; the very same type as the old green minibus is still used-as red additional on various routes numbered in the 1xxx series (like at bang Khen or Bang Khae)-but these tend to slowly trundle along major sois only. And the 1251 is dark-green: from Talad Klong Toey-as the 205-ending somewhere along RamIII. I predict several of the greens will get renovated-and turned into red for these very marginal services. |
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BMTA readjustign 34 bus routes during the time of emergency
1. No. 29 - From rangsit via Vibhavadee rangsit Highway, it will be Cut short at Victory Monument 2. No. 34 - From rangsit via Phaholyothin Road, it will be Cut short at Victory Monument 3. No. 59 In Boiund trip -> turn right at Phyathai Intersection intead of Rajdhewee Intersection before reaching Swankhaloke road, Yommaraj road and lan Luang road ... before headign to Phan Fah Bridge to Sanam Luang. No. 59 Outboung trip -> Going through Lan Luang road to Yommaraj Intersection before heading to Swankhaloke road and turn rihgt to Sri Ayutthaya road to Phayathai Intersection before heaind to regular route. 4. No. 11 - From Prawet, cutting short at Asok-Phetburi intersection near Phetburi Subway station. 5. No. 60 From Siam Park, cutting short at Asok-Phetburi intersection near Phetburi Subway station. 6. No. 93 From Seap Game Village, cutting short at Asok-Phetburi intersection near Phetburi Subway station. 7. No. 501 From Minburi, Cutting Short at Queen Sirikit national Convention center 8. No. 514 From Minburi, Cutting Short at MCOT Intersection 9. No. 2 From Samrong, Cutting SHort at Asok-Sukhumvit near Sukhumvit Subway Station. 10. No. 23 From Samrong cutting short at Wat Phasee [Ekkamai] - heading to the expresway at Yommaraj 11. No. 25 From Pak Nam cutting short at Wat That Thong - heading to the expresway at Hua Lamphong 12. No. 45 From Samrong, cutting short at Klong Toei 13. No. 508 From Paknam, Cutting SHort at Asok-Sukhumvit near Sukhumvit Subway Station - heading to the expresway at Hua Lamphong 14. No. 508 From Paknam, Cutting SHort at Asok-Sukhumvit near Sukhumvit Subway Station - heading to the expresway at Yommaraj 15. No. 536 From Pask Nam - heading to Expressway at Victory Monument 16. No. 4 From Klong Toei in bound - heading to Klogn Toei - Na ranogn Intrersection, turn left to Rama 3 road, turning right to Narathiwat road turning left to South Sathon road turngin right to Charoenkrung turning right ot Si Phraya road turnign left to Rama 4 road at Samyan before heaing to regular route No. 4 Outbound route -regualr route to Charoen krung, Rama 4 road, Sam Yan before turngin right to Si Phraya, hteurning left to Charoen Krung, Thurning left to North Sathon road, turngin right to Narathiwat road, turngin left to rama 3 road, turnign rihgtto Na Ranong intersection before heading to usual route. 17.No.13 Inbout - From Klong Toei - ratchada - Asok - SOndaeng - Uturng at Phibun prachasan school before headign to regular route No.13 Outbound From Huay Kwan to Prachasongkraw - Asok Dindaeng - Ratchadaphisek - Klogn Toei. 18. No. 47 From Klong Toei in bound - heading to Klogn Toei - Na ranogn Intrersection, turn left to Rama 3 road, turning right to Narathiwat road turning left to South Sathon road turning right to Charoenkrung turning right ot Si Phraya road turnign left to Rama 4 road at Samyan turning right to Banthat Thong and turning left to Ramat 1 road before heaing to regular route No. 47 Outbound route -regualr route to Rmaa 1 road before turning left to Banthat Thong, Rama 4 road, Sam Yan before turngin right to Si Phraya, hteurning left to Charoen Krung, Thurning left to North Sathon road, turngin right to Narathiwat road, turngin left to rama 3 road, turnign rihgtto Na Ranong intersection before heading to usual route. 19. No. 62 Sathupradit - Inbound heading to regura route to South Sathon turning right to Charoen Krung turnign righto Si Prhaya, turngin left to Rama 4, turngin rihgt to Banthat thong, turnign right to Phetburi, turning left to Phayathai road before reahgin regular route No. 62 Outbound - From victory monument, Phyathai, trunign right to Phetburi, thruin left to banthatthong theurnign left to Rama 4 trnign right at Sam Yan to Si Phraya, turnign left to Charoeng Krung, thenign left to South Sathon, thernign ight to Soi Suan Ploo before reahcign the regular route. 20. No. 72 From Klong toei - in Bound regular route until it reached Phetburi, Ratchadaphisek, Asok, Dindaeng, Victory monument, Rajvithi, Samsen, thewet No. 72 Outbound Thewet, Wang Daeng, Ratchasima route, turnigng rihgto Sukhunthai road, turnign right to Rama 5 road, turnbgn left to Ratchawithee road, Victory monument, Dindaeng, Asok, Dindaeng, Ratchada, turngi left to Phetburi road unti it reached regualr route. 21. No. 77 from Central Rama 3 to regular route until it reach Bangrak, turnign right to Si Phraya, turnign left to Rama4 tunrign rihgt to Banthat htong,, turnign right to Phetburi, turnign left to Phayathai, Victory Monument - regualr route. No. 77 Outbound - regular route to Victory monument, Phayathai, Phetburi Banthat trhong, Rama 4 road, Si Phraya, Charoeng Krung unti it rach regular route at bnang Rak. 22. No. 15 The Mall Tha Phra Inbound - regular oute to Charoien Krung, turngin right to Si Phray, turnign left to Rama 4, turning to banthat thong, thurnign left to Rama 1 before reachin regular orute No.15 Outbound - regular route to rama 1, turngin right to Banthat thong, theurng left to Rama 4 thrung right to SI Phraya, Surawongse, tuirngi nleft to Charoen Krung to reach regualr route 23. No.21 Wat Khoo Sang cuttign short at Hua Lamphong 24. No. 76, cuttnign short to BTS station at Wongwian Yai 25. No. 140 takgin expressway at Victory Monument 26. No. 141 Samae Sam cutting short at Klogn Toei 27. No. 79 From Phutthamonthon Sai 2 Cutting short at Uruphongse 28. No. 16 From Sri narong Depot cutting short at Uruphongse. 29. No. 67 From Wat Samian Naree cuttign short at Ramadhibodee road 30. No. 50 From Rama 7 Inbound - regular route to Yommaraj, turngin elft to Rama 6, turnign left to Samsen waterwork, crossing railway tring near Samsen station, turngin left to Sukhothai road before reachign regualr route. 31. No. 505 Form Pakkret - cvuting short at Uruphongse. 32. No. 36 Huay Kweang inboudn to Victory monument, Phayathai, Sri Ayutthaya, Rama 6, Phetburi, Banthathong, ERama 4 Si Phraya, before reasching rgular route No. 36 Outbound - Si Phreaya, Rama 4 banthathogn, Rama 1, Rama 6, Sri Aytutthaya, Phyathai, Victorymonument, bfore reachignregualr route. 33. No. 54 Mochit 2 - clockwise -Huay Kweang Prachasongkraw, SDindaeng, Victory Monument, Saphankwai, Sutthisan - Huay Kwang. Counter Clockwise, Huay Kwang, Sutthsarn, Saphan Kwai, Victory Monument, Dindaeng, Phrachasongkraw, Huak Kwang. 34. No. 73 Inbound route - From Pho Kaew depot run the usual route until it reached Dindaeng - headign to victoryu Monument, Phaythai turngin left at Phaythai intersec tion to Sri Ayutthjya road - turn left to Rama 6 road and turng left to petburi road and then turn right ot Banthat thong road before going through the regualr route. No. 73 Outbound - reguar route until Pnathat thing} turn left to Rama 1 road and the ntrun right to Rama 6 route, turn right ot Ayutthaya, turning left to Phayathai, Victorymonument, Dindaeng before going back to usual route. 35. No. 73A Inbound route - From Pho Kaew depot run the usual route until it reached Dindaeng, Vicotrymonument, Phayathai, Sri Aytthaya Rama +6 road, turngin left to Phetburi, turngin right to Banthat thogn before reaching reguar route No. 73A Outbound - regular route to Banthatthong, turnign left at Rama 1 road, turngn right ot Rama 6, thrgn right to Sri Ayutthaya road, thrugn left to Phayathai, Victorymonument, Dindaeng, before reahcign regular route. 36. No. 204 From Huay Kwang Cut short at Victory Monument Note: 3 BMTA men has been arrested by UDD guard on 13 May 2010 but they have been released at 8 AM of 14 May 2010 ... http://www.manager.co.th/Business/Vi...=9530000066613 |
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