Finland Declaration-Plan to overthrow Thai Monarchy?

[Wisarut]

1) Strategy for the Mass -> Going deep into Grassroot through the deception and manipulation on the villages headmen as well as otehr prominent leaders in the village levels as the way to INJECT the governemtn policy on theri heads.

2) Ther will be ONLY ONE party in Thailand ... NO Opposition ALLOWED!

3) The SYstme Must be Capitalism alogn with Megaprojects and Cosumerism as the way BRAINWASH the mass and Middleclass with those Luxury stuffs as the way to claim for "Raisingtandard of Living" ... even though they have to sell themselves into sex slaves to be copulated or sodomized ....

4) Reducing Monarchy into just powerless figurehead ... as the way to REMOVE any Royal Power that GOES AGAINST the Party through the process in (5) as well as other means.

5) Dismatling the Bureaucrat systems yunder commands of His Majesy as well as INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATIONS under the DIRECT Commands of Prime Minsiter or President

Ref:
http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9490000063603
http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9490000060356

[Wisarut]

This is evil strategy to be Republican state and the leader will be President with supreme power to do every thing no wrong even SELL the nation OUT to Imperialists ...

This an UNFORGIVABLE Crime ... that deserve Treason Charges without doubts

[Wisarut]

The corrupt and shameless EC is another part of Finland Decration -> They DEFY the orders for the courts appointed by His majesty .... If This corrupt EC has been removed, The Great leader wouyld plan a coup to OVERTHROW His Majesty since His Majesty stand on his way ....

Ref: http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9490000064211

[jpatokal]

Huh? What am I missing here -- what is the "Finland Declaration"?

[BangkokPundit]

Originally Posted by jpatokal

Huh? What am I missing here -- what is the "Finland Declaration"?

Today's Post reports (the link will expire in a few hours):

The massive cash windfall following the privatisation of PTT Plc was part of the ''Finland plan'', hatched by a small group of people to take control of Thailand, outgoing Senator Sophon Supapong said yesterday. Mr Sophon said the plan was hatched in 1999 in Finland where a group of leading businessmen and former activists from the October 1973 student uprising drew up a strategy to take control of Thailand through populist policies, privatisation, a one-party system and the restructuring of the civil service.

The privatisation of both PTT Plc and the Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand (Egat) was part of the strategy to privatise the country by transferring state enterprises into their possession.

''Only a few groups of people have benefited from the privatisation, including politicians, top government officials and off-shore companies registered abroad in places such as Singapore,'' the senator said during a discussion on high oil prices at Chulalongkorn University's faculty of economics. Thai people had to bear the burden of high oil prices so that these people could earn extra money.

Any government denial of such a plan will just serve as further evidence that the plan exists. Needless to say, the usual suspects believe this completely. Sondhi's newspaper sales will just go up.

[Wisarut]

More on Finland Strategy
http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9490000065158
http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9490000065271

[Scuba22]

The government DENYING such a plan? Are you joking?

"[Taking] control of Thailand through populist policies, privatisation, a one-party system and the restructuring of the civil service" isn't a conspiracy theory, it's pretty much the stated policy of the Thai Rak Thai party.

Populist policies? Part of the platform: OTOP, 30-B, Million baht fund etc etc
Privatisation? Part of the platform: PTT, EGAT
One-party system? Well, does any political party NOT want to dominate?
Restructuring the civil service? Part of the platform: CEO Governors, Education

Being for these things should not be a scandal; every one of these items, if done well, can be beneficial to the country (even a one-party state - check out the PAP in Singapore). The REAL scandal is the TRT's utter failure to succeed in any of these areas for the benefit of the country: the populist policies have NOT sustainably improved living conditions for the rural poor, the PTT privatisation has NOT resulted in a dynamic and competitive petrochemical industry with copious benefits for consumers, and restructuring the civil service has NOT made it any more efficient or effective.

The pathetic results of the TRT in achieving their stated aims are what the opposition should be shouting about.

However, the TRT has done an excellent job in figuring out how to stack independent bodies, sweep scandals under the rug (Alpine anyone? CTX?), and increase the wealth of their leadership.

They should run on those policies, since that's what they've proven adept at.

Cheers,

Scuba

[Wisarut]

KHUN SCUBA,



For the involvement on the fuel price MANIPULATION to maximize the private GAIN at the expense of Public welfare, Iti s hte plan to RECOUP theri investment on the invalid election April 2, 2006 ... They are willing to WRECK HAVOC to the nation so they can get the reason to get to PREATEND theat they are goign to rescue the nation even though they are ACTUALLY Continue the RAPE of THAILAND .... whcih is DEFINITELY a part of FINLAND Declaration ....


Yep, Party Platform INDEED ... the Party Platform to Overthrow Constitution Monarchy!

More Peril of Thaksin System is here:
http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9490000065401

[BangkokPundit]

Scuba

Read Wisarut's posts. The so-called "Finland Plan" or "Finland Declaration" is not limited to the quoted portion in my comment. The quote was more background to when the so-called plan to takeover Thailand was hatched. The English language papers generally leave out all the wild parts of the plan.

So do you think TRT have a plan to overthrow the monarchy then as Wisarut states?

[GWR]

I think we can take almost anything from a Sondhi rag with a shovel of salt. And perhaps also content ourselves with the thought that it is stuff like this which allows us to realise the degree of duplicity of which he is also capable.

Funnily enough, I think it is possible to scorn the conspiracy theory in this and still admit to ourselves that such plans almost certainly do exist in a somewhat less romantic form. Since when has some element of Thailand's elite not been planning something perilous? If you ask me if I believe the likes of TRT are capable of planning to undermine the institution, I would say 'yes' unequivocally. (There is already a precedent for it being sidelined.) And in all fairness, I don't find it hard to imagine why they might fear the 'future'.

There have been no coups in recent years, which I suppose indicates that certain elements have realized that coups should be used sparingly. This issue could easily trigger a coup. Since when has 'a real threat' been a necessary precondition for military action here? There are armed factions who are capable of perceiving this as a credible threat, if only for their own advantage.

[Wisarut]

Nopw, even Khn Ekkayut has played with Finland Declaration .... alogn with the exposure of Two-face General Sondhi
http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....5-19/19-29.htm

[Scuba22]

Mr Pundit:

Wisarut's original post has five points, four of which are mentioned in your BK Post snippet. Of these four points, three are essentially TRT's policy platform. Only the "one party system" is not overt, but the desire to be dominant is hardly unique to TRT, and the way the party was built through merging other parties, their desire to emulate Singapore's PAP seems pretty clear. So that only leaves the monarchy issue.

As for the TRT's position regarding the monarchy, "overthrow" is a pretty strong word, especially in the near term. For the longer term, there are obviously many many questions regarding what will happen and though nobody speaks of any of it publicly, I can't imagine there aren't private conversations and personal thoughts about what to do after the inevitable comes to pass.

As GWR states, any consideration of long-term power in Thailand must consider the role of the monarchy, so it seems reasonable to believe that the TRT, interested as it is in long-term power, has some ideas about this; and there is some decidedly unwild speculation about what these ideas are. However, given the way Shawn Crispin was treated after his FEER article, I hope you can understand why I'm rather reluctant to discuss specifics about this particular issue.

So unless there are some "wilder" parts of the plan that I'm missing, it doesn't look like much of a conspiracy theory to me. It pretty much looks like the TRT platform, 60% overtly stated, and 40% quietly implemented. So I ask again - what's there to "deny"?

Cheers,

Scuba

[BangkokPundit]

Scuba

Originally Posted by Scuba22

So I ask again - what's there to "deny"?

To deny that the policies implemented are not part of a secret plot to overthrow the Monarchy. The subject heading of Wisarut's post was "Finland Declaration - the Plan to Overthrow Thai Monarchy!".

Wisarut and posters at The Manager seem to believe that the purpose of the plan is to overthrow the Monarchy and that this plot was hatched in Finland. So do you still think it is a plan to overthrow the Monarchy?

[Wisarut]

Responses to Finland Declaration

TRT goes on offensive over 'Finland Plan'
Bangkok Post - May 22, 2006

The Thai Rak Thai party has threatened to sue people who make false accusations involving the so-called Finland Plan. Thai Rak Thai executive member Surapong Suebwonglee said yesterday he had never heard of any such plan in the whole time he had been in the party.

Outgoing senator Sophon Supapong mentioned the ''Finland Plan'', which he said was hatched by a small group aiming to take control of Thailand, at the Thailand Weekly forum held at Lumpini park on Saturday.


He claimed that a group of businessmen had persuaded former activists from the October 1973 student uprising to set up a political party and draw up a strategy to take control of Thailand through populist policies.


Media tycoon Sondhi Limthongkul, also a leader of the anti-Thaksin People's Alliance for Democracy, backed Mr Sophon's remarks, saying the government's abuse of the state media was part of the Finland Plan. He was also speaking at the Thailand Weekly forum, which he hosted.


Mr Surapong said the party would sue anyone who made false accusations about any so-called Finland Plan.


Prommin Lertsuridej, the caretaker prime minister's secretary-general and Thai Rak Thai deputy secretary-general, denied the party had mapped out such a plan. He asked the media to seek evidence from people making the claims.


''Thai Rak Thai was set up after the economic crisis,'' he said.


''The media has closely followed the party's activities ever since.


''Our party had to introduce policies which were different from other parties.


''Our policies focussed on solving people's debts and helping them generate income.


''We asked scholars across the country for their views, which we gathered before coming up with the policies,'' he said.


Democrat deputy secretary-general Thavorn Saenniem said the Finland Plan, if it really existed, would cause great damage to the country.


He urged the public to keep a close watch on Thai Rak Thai's policies as they looked similar to those mentioned in the Finland Plan

[Wisarut]

Maew Mink Uan Phansak -> actors in Finland Declaration
http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....5-21/11-32.htm

Ai Mink Denounce Filnd Declaration
http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/2006/0...news_id=105619
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000066495
http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....5-21/16-19.htm

Ill-gonnetn wealth of the Great goign to Lichenstein and the connection with Russian mafia and Durg Kingpin who RUNs Landmark Hotel
http://thaiinsider.com/ShowNews.php?...5-20/16-00.htm

October 1973 Generation Askgn Ai Mink and Ai Liab to get out of TRT or they would CUT the tie with time ...
http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....5-21/17-35.htm


Democrat Believing in the Existence Finland Declaration
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000066516
More on Finland Declration
http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....5-19/19-29.htm