Finland Declaration-Plan to overthrow Thai Monarchy?

[BangkokPundit]

Originally Posted by Naphat

JW: Sorry, just wanted to credit you leaving the link for that Nidhi paper. I bought a booked called "Conflict and Terrorism in Southern Thailand" by some Singapore based academics a while back. Didn't read too much of it yet, but it seems the Critical Asian Studies journal doesn't like it too much?

"Conflict and Terrorism in Southern Thailand" is certainly not the best book/article to read on the violence. I generally agree with the critique on the book. I read it recently and was surprised by some of the mistakes and seemingly complete lack of local knowledge.

[BangkokPundit]

Originally Posted by Tettyan

I am well aware of McCargo`s politics. Just like any other scholar or human being, he`s entitled to his personal political views. Japanese historian John Dower is also known for his strong political views (as a know Chomskyite), but that doesn`t take away from that fact that he`s an excellent historian, based on his peer-reviewed scholarly works. And with all due respect, you have also made clear your certain political leanings, but I have never simply dismissed your analyses out of hand simply on account of that.

Fair point. But to me McCargo's dislike of Thaksin seems to cloud his judgement. I think it is necessary to distinguish between personal comments/editorials and academic writing. I certainly wouldn't be openly partisan in any academic writing. I made a presentation once on the violence in the 3 southern border provinces and criticised TRT's policy on using martial law. By the line of questioning, I don't doubt I was perceived
as anti-TRT.

Now, McCargo on the link between religion and politics in Thailand is very readable.

Originally Posted by Tettyan

Well, he does hedge himself quite a bit on this one, like any academic would do. I agree we can`t the int`l network factor out of hand, but up to this point, their involvement appears to be rather murky. Although we might say int`l component is more involved than before, it still seems that domestic politics seems to be driving factor, just as it has been in past conflicts. But I believed McCargo challenged other scholars to prove otherwise, and so if this is the line of work you`re engaged in, I wish you the best of luck.

When I say internatiional factors, I also mean access to the media and the internet and events elsewhere in the world. Events like East Timor, Iraq, and Afghanistan have proved unifying factors for some radical Muslims elsewhere.

Prior to January 2004, the main target of attacks were police and military officials in rural areas, but since January 2004 there has been a noticed shift in to attacking civilians in urban areas, Buddhists in particular. It is also how some Buddhists are killed with beheading, copying tactics used elsewhere, Iraq in particular.

The extent to which exertnal factors have been used to radicalise some of the younger Muslims is difficult to establish.

I understand McCargo needs to have his thesis statement, but (from a quick re-read) he doesn't seem to acknowledge other factors at all. Not a footnote reference or anything.

That is enough from me for now.

[Wisarut]

Thaksin's Claiming the Extortion by Senator Sophon as the cause of Finland Plot's Claim

Senator Sophon Point out that Thaksin has mentioned very EVIL things Relatng to Royal Familily durign the dinner with Dr. Prawes and Him

http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000069412

Mr Thaikorn and Isan Patriots Goign to Sue Premier Thaisk for Finland Conspiracy by removign Garuda Seal out of the new National IDs and other evils things ....
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000069515
http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....5-26/15-48.htm

Thaksin Lying the Publci on Southern Insurgency
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000069511

Best Seller: Finland Code by Phoojat Kuan
http://www.manager.co.th/Pjkkuan/Vie...=9490000069157

Senator Samak Claiming that there is NO Finland Conspiracy
http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....5-26/20-05.htm

[Wisarut]

Brick and Bat over Finland COnspiracy
http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....5-28/17-17.htm
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000069857

[Nekochan]

I wonder about the credibility of "Finland Declaration". Although I am not a fan of the dear leader, things are getting out of hand lately.

The charges against Taksin and his cronies, if it is true with solid evidence, it could land them in jail forever. But where is the evidence?

Another example, Mr. Kraisak Chunnawan claimed the presence of mass graves. His implication was that there was a mass murder of southern Muslim.

Is that true? Or could they be muslim graveyards? whatever they are.

You may think why everything popped up simultaneously? Is there a coincedence behind this?? But it works since people always believe there is something sinister going on, always was.

Sonthi himself is a stalinist who uses all means to crush opponents. He is another Taksin in disguise. Dr. Chaianan was once in Taksin's circle. How much benefit he got from Taksin...we will never know. Why he switched side....we will never know. And was that Chamlong who brought Taksin to Thai politics? Now the noble Obiwan realised he made a monster. He will correct it at all costs.

It turns nasty as I agree to Dr. Pansak "Black Propaganda". (There is nothing wrong about drinking wine or listening to classical music) But feeding people with fears and panaroids is the most dangerous achievement in Thai politics. And Thai society pays the price.

What if someone tells you what we are posting in 2BKK.com has been monitered by CIA and our regulars here actually work for MI6.

[GWR]

It's no coincidence that this stuff is emerging. When you run a country with the philosophy that you are herding a bunch of sheep, you can hardly complain when they all go charging off in an unintended direction because you didn't quite get round to closing every gate and blocking every hole in the hedge. To sheep, any hole in the hedge is an opportunity not to be missed. Even if it leads to a minefield.

[Wisarut]

Well, Sanator Kraisak's Allegation of Mass Graves has been confirmed by Khunying Pornthip .... even though Ai Khongsak is trying to discredit the claim....

Now, the MP of Rajburi has been GUNNED DOWN since SHE was trying to GET OUT of TRT ... so Thaksin has to order the Army/Police to GUN Her down ... and the police who are supposed to protect that MP are actually spies who give the info abotu the position to the gunmen ....

[Wisarut]

Chidchai Explaining that the Missign Garuda Seal is just little mistake ... Need to get Royal permission to stampe garuda Seal
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000070577

Isan Patriots REFUSE to listen to the Government Alibi on the Removign Garuda Seal from National ID issues ... Challengign Chidchai to Pledge in front of Emerald buddha
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000070536

The Missing Garuda Seal: Great Dissgrace to the Government
http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9490000070349

More abotu Finalnd declaration at FireLamthung
http://www.firelamtung.com/index.php...iewtopic&t=165

Ekkayut Pointing out that Thaksin and Family REFUSE to donate any single stang for the 60th Year Royal Jubilee while donatign 80 million Baht for TRT ... A clear sign that Thaksin adn Family havwe ILL-Will toward Royal family .... alogn with the Reason to remove Garuda seal out while Leavign the Singha seal of Mahattai (or Signapore) withotu the new national ID card:
http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....5-29/18-43.htm

The Libel Suits Filed by Sondi Delayed due to the Lack fo Lawyers
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000070324

Chidchai REFUSING to Allow Khunying Pornthip to Dig the Mass Grave in 3 Southern Provinces

Khunying Pornthip Said eh has seen teh Gtreen patani Flag while heaign the BOOS AGAINST Thai natioanl Anthem
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000070356

Finland behavitor: Even more Critical than Finaldn Declaration
http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9490000070428

[Scuba22]

Originally Posted by Tettyan

I've been thinking of finding a nice way to tell this to my friend who works for the Democrats. The last time I met him (which was months before this whole political mess started), he dismissed northeastern voters as mostly "economically motivated". That's not exactly the right attitude to start with.

My wife's original attitude was that the TRT may be corrupt, but the Democrats even more so. She's since changed her mind and now thinks they're both pretty much equally corrupt, but that the TRT is more dangerous because the Democrats are at least incompetent. In other words, they're bad, but at least they're slow.

Frankly I can't think of many people who aren't "economically motivated" - what exactly are the Democrats planning on running on?

Originally Posted by Tettyan

The problem really is that becoming a "grassroots" or "mass" party runs against the very nature of the Democrats, who traditionally have been elitist and top-down in orientation.

This is what kills me - how do silver-spoon elites like Thaksin (or GW Bush for that matter) pass themselves off as good 'ol boys? It's a total snow job; Democrats (Thai and US) only have themselves to blame for this.

Originally Posted by Tettyan

I've discussed the Democrats reluctance to even participate in elections on the local level.

I've been quite surprised at the level of autonomy available at the local level if anyone bothers to exercise it. I had always assumed that Thailand was very centrally run, but what I've seen upcountry is that much of this is based on budget allocations. A municipal mayor or provincial authority using local funds can do quite a bit if they wanted to - but of course a lot of local politics is precisely about getting central funds.

Why don't the Democrats (or anyone else for that matter) see the opportunity in local government? The Republicans in the US and even Hamas saw it and rode it to power. Lessons don't seem to make it over here.

BTW - I sent you a private email, did you get it?

Cheers,

Scuba22

[Wisarut]

Well, if the current shooting of TRT MP of Rajburi was committed by Mafia outside TRT, it is an implication that the policy to destroy the influential person is NOT working at all ...

Same thing can be said to the surge of SPeed pills alogn with Ecstacy pills ....There is a rumour that The Great Leader have connections with Burmese Junta so he ALLOWS the speed pills to keep the poor youths under influence as the way to forget aboyut the poilicy failture in other fields .... Even worse he allows Ecstacy pills feed his own children so they can commit orgies as they please ... while extracting more moeny from well-to-do kids.

If this rumour above is TRUE, this would make ABBOT Koon to exclaim that:

"Darn Burn it! I NEVER thought Ai Thaksin and co. are such SOBs! It is even worse than Ai Chuan and Ai Uan [Chawalit]"

[Nekochan]

There is an article in Matichon Weekly about Finland Declaration. Very interesting, if anyone could translate it into English.

Yes!, the one with Taksin & Santa on the cover!!

Half truth is more dangerous than a lie itself.

[GWR]

Admin has created a new thread on the 'Southern Issue', by moving a number of really interesting posts that materialised in this thread.

Couldn't help noting, when I logged in, that the new thread may be hidden to those people who habitually use the 'NEW POSTS' button, as Nekochan's post below is more recent than any in the new thread.

So here's a quick link to show where those posts have gone:-

http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bang...ead.php?t=1708

[Wisarut]

Opinion 15:
"We have a good father .... While Thai people aroudn the country show their loyalty of His Majesty, there are some HIGHBROW intelectual who show MORE respect to Marx, Lenin, Chairman Mao Tse Tung , Hochiminh as theri own FATHERs than our His Majesty ... You can as who are those Highbrow professors by asking thsoe students in Thammasart and Mahidol .... "

"Even Worse, those highbrow professors consider the self-sufficient policy of Hia Majesty as the Principle coming from their little red books for poletariates written by Chaiman Mao. It must be wrogn copulation of thier parents so thsoe highbrow professors have come into being in Thailand!"

REF: http://webboard.mthai.com/5/2006-06-03/241604.html

[Wisarut]

Defyign the Court Opinion - EC Refusign to Resign
http://webboard.mthai.com/5/2006-06-03/241678.html

Thaikorn Clamign that Fatso Phoomtham Foollowign the Oder of the Great Leader to create Ideal State as a replacement for Kingdom of Thailand
REF: http://webboard.mthai.com/5/2006-06-03/241707.html

One night aroudn 10:30 PM, 4 men and 1 women has made a meetign at TRT HQ, the geckoes in that HQ have heard the followign conversation:

"What do you think about His Majesty's Speech?"

"Oh, His speech is NOT important for us at all! ... Just let him speak"

"What are we goign to do if the courts come come up with the court vindicts/opinions that hurt our interests?"

"Nothing to worry! We have sent our Red Guards and Brown Shirts secret police tro force the courts to be in line with our opinions -> Or else! Mr. Y can throw those judges in crematorium pires as we have thown Lawyer Somchai several years ago .... "

"Furthermore, we have already brainwashed the youths through EyeTV and Modern Nai as well as the average Somchai to be a Great supporting wall for us .. by listing them into our party members after registerign mobile phones with AIS and those who registered with exercise groups lead me Ms. S which is here right now!"

"if we cannot control those people who are supposed to be the great wall for us, we can push them into the front line to face heavy machine guns anyway! We'll see who can handle the people better -> His majesty vs. our great Leader! We cannto turn abck the tide anyway!"

"If we pass through this revolt, everything would be okay for us!"

"Heaven would be in heaven ... Earth would be earth ... Never hope to make any contact with one another. Just live in theri own world!"

http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....6-03/12-52.htm

[Wisarut]

DEM Pointing out that TRT have made forced regisration to become member of TRT by wiretappign AIS Mobile phones as well as Usign Health Clubs membersship as the way to put the name into the lsit ... as the way to gain 20 million Members of TRT
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000073610

DEM Pointing out that TRT members are goign to DEFY the Suprerme Court Orders - Threatenign CIVIL WAR if DISSOVLIGN TRT Party!
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/Vi...=9490000073112

TRT, Are YOU goign to Threaten us to Spark CIVIL War if Dissivign your party?
http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9490000073729

TRT Fan Club Web (http://www.taksinfanclub.com/) Insulting the SUpreme Coutrt as "teh Gerat beast fo Satan"
http://www.manager.co.th/Home/ViewNe...=9490000073581

Teh folloign are the list of Website of the TRT lackeys to Spark Civil War
http://www.konpanfa.com/ <--Hidden in Rajdamnoen room pantip.com
http://www.rakmuangthai.org/home.php <-- The extension
http://www.rukmuangthai.net <--Hidden in Rajdamnoen room pantip.com
http://www.rukmuangthai.com <--Hidden in Rajdamnoen room pantip.com
http://trtfanclub.pantown.com <--Hidden in Rajdamnoen room pantip.com
http://www.hidebehind.com/B70522C0 <--- The evidence of Insulting Supreme Court
Now, the author " Paul Handley " have become "persona non grata" for Tai authority sicne he write the book to Attack Thai Monarchy

The set of evidence before editing
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=t...icp=1&.intl=us

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=t...icp=1&.intl=us

Opinion 165

It's abotu the time for Thai peiople to kill one another ..
The conflagation of Civil War is coming!
The Foreign Imperiaist are DROOLING to Exploit US!
Steaking EVERYTIGN from Thai People!
The houses and buildings will be utterily Destroyed!
Childrent will become Orphants!
The Rich Escaping to Other Countries just liek South Vietnamese Escapiogn Vietcong
The Middle Class Struggign to fidn the way to go out of the country!
The poor are lyign dead liek bundles of firewood!
Ayutthaya Desotryoed by the Interal Strugle ... Opening hte City Gates for Enemies
This Nightmare will be back soon!





Note: The Thai owner of MWEB, MThai.com ans Sanook.com s Jeh Daeng (Thaksin's sister) and familiy ... MWeb.com and MThai.com have hired lots of Internet mercenaries to sarbotage the arguments in local Thai webboards ... Many of them are Ramkhamhaeng students as well as students from private universities and unemployed graduates.

Many of thsoe mercenaries are those "Plangjai Seekhao" (White mental power) who keep comign up to cheer Thaksin and cronies ....
The otehr group is "Phalang prachachon for Thailand" (People Power of Thailand Group - AKA The Green Shirts) of Mr. Suraphongse Tohwijakchaikul (a bald head who is former DEM MP for defect to TRT) ... This Egg head is the one who hire children to do down and dirty jobs for him ... alogn with keep suign SOndhi on Les Majeste cases ...


Now, even the former members of Pantip.com from Mahidol University have Resigned form Pantip.cpom after Phanthognthae and Jeh Daeng have taken over Pantip.com ... to beocme just a mousepiece of propaganda for TRT!

Opinion 75
The one who run thsoe websites are the traitors ... with the supports form the former CPT in TRT ... Those former CPT just want to get into power by ALL MEANS ... withotu caring abotu the consequence from National Disunity

Opinion 155
There is a rumour that TRT are plottign Regicide by those Brown Shirts to remvoe the last obstruction for Absolute Power

Ai Watsanah Phoemlarb and Aisohphon Phetsawang are daring to Insult His majesty by Defyign Supreme Court Orders!

Ai Chidchai SUpportign Ai Watsanah !

The Precadet-10 are mobilizing the armed forces to becoem assasin troops !

The Precadet-10 are hiring those police and armed forced who have been been kicked out og the Armed Forces to do this down and dirty jobs! After all, they are Mafia in Green under the same group as Suchinda!

The payment for this assasination is at leasst 2 Billion Baht

This cionspiraracy has a codename as "Threating the Dust [Thai people who Loyakl to His Majersty] - Putting Sky [HM] under the crosshair!" This codename have been written on public phone booths

If Thaksin is NOT dead, The Heaven will be passed away by Assasin bullets in the same way they have done to Ms. Kobkul who plan to Defect from TRT!

We ca wait any longer ... let thsi plan Folded before becomkign a reality!