Bang Buathong Railway

[Wisarut]

Khun Reiner, beware when you are using map formk Krom Phaengthee Thaharn though ... Sometimes thye have kept the outdated data on the map -> e.g. when Bangbua Thong Rialway has removed the section from Bang Seethong to Wat Chaloem Phrakiat so as to construct the new line from Bang Seethong intersection to Bang Seethong Pier (the pier opposited to the Nonthaburi provincial hall) in 1930, the Military Survey has NOT corrected the route yet even though they CLIAMED that the data was collect in early 1931.

Even after BAngbuathong Railway was out of business in July 1942 and the rail have been removed shortly, the Military survey has only shoen ONLY the trace correspondent to the formaer Bang Buathong Railway but NOT the new road - even though the Highway Dept had constructed the new rroad to repace that railway ...

[admin]

Dick van der Spek is looking for info to make a map of the Bang Bua Thong Railway.

Do any 2B readers have details?

[Wisarut]

I have one in my hand from National Archieve pubished in 1930.

[pong]

this is just from curiosity: where did this line actually start in Thonburi? or was it just west from Nonthaburi/already in that province? in that case, it likely just followed the road where the 1001 BangBuaThongKonsong bus now runs, I think.

[Wisarut]

KHun Pong,

The line started near Wat boworn Mongkhon (Wat Lingkhob) ... The line has passed through the orchards, Bang Bumru station (then Bang Bumnru Stop) and then branched out to Bang Yai, Bang Bang Sithogn Pier (the pier to Nonthaburi)

You better folloign Bang Kruay - Sai Noy roasd whcih used be the trackbed of
Bang Buathogn railway.

[Wisarut]

Khun Hatyai Junction, you better dig up the concessions between the miner & timber companies and Railway Dept to find more information thsoe Industrial Railway whcih lead into the mines (tin mins or iron mines) as well as timber railways ....

BTW, the defunct Bang Buathogn railway also fucntion as the way to distribute sugar + rice from Lat Lum Kaeo to Bangbua thong, Nonthaburi, Thonburi and BKK in addtion to pasenger services ...
Same can be said to the defunct Phra Phutthabat railway ... carrying the timber, rock, motar from Phra Phutthabat to Tha ruea
in addtion to the seasonal passenger service to Phra Phutthabat.

[dick]

I start with making the map Bang Bua Thong in February. First I make the trackmap with stations as far I know. Where was (were) the depot(s)?

[Wisarut]

At Wat Ling Khob (Waty boworn Mongkhon) ...

[The Enforcer!]

Great map of the front page http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/Mas...ongRailway.jpg - any idea where the stayions wre located or indeed what stations there were?

The Enforcer!

[dick]

Dear members of the forum,
Making the maps of Ban Buathong Railway and trammap Bangkok (thai version) is delayed for about six weeks.
Apologize,
Dick

[dick]

Making the Ban Buathon Railway map.
Some Questions.
The mainline was from the station not far from Ban Mon Kon temple (km 0.0) to the station not far from Ra Haeng temple (= km 511) in Amphoe Lad Lum Kaeo. Then, there was a branche from km 25.5 (= Ban Bua Thong) crossing the Bang Kra Suayson Canal to a point just opposite Phatum Thani (Old); or was it n o t a branch but a proposed line? Somewhere we can read: "The junction which is cancelled by Royal permission from His Majesty the King"
If the line existed, even for a short period, was date I can give by the text "Line abandoned in ?" or "Line dismantled in ?" And date of opening of course. I like to mention the dates to make the map more complete.
If the branch never exist, than a correction on my map Greater Bangkok is necessary and also my source (an old 250000 scale map) is incorrect.

Then, there was a short branch to the river close to Nonthaburi (new), Bang Khwang. When was this opened? And still in exploitation until closing of the line?
Also there was a very short branch from the mainline to km. 11.0, opposite
Nonthaburi (Old)? Or was it just a plan?
Stations and stops? Of course, but what are the locations and the names? Bang Kuay (km. 5.8)? Bang Si Mueng? Bang Phla? Jumpi Canal? Ban Laem Canal? What are the dates of opening and closure for the branche to Bang Yai Canal (km.17.4)?
Last question for this time: where could we find the depot(s).
I hope some of the member can help me.
Dick

[Wisarut]

Khun Dick

Ban Mon Kon temple (km 0.0) -> Error It shoudl be called as
"Wat BowornMongkhon" (AKA Wat Ling khob)

The terminal (aswellasthe depot) is near Wat Rahaeng (the old name of LadLumkaeo district, pathum Thani).Beofre the extension I guess that teh depot is at Wat Boworn Mongkhon though

The initial contract with RSR in 1922 stated tat the line should be at
Bang Buathong, Wat Chaloem Phra Kiat (the pier opposite to the old Nonthaburi provincial Hall), and the pier opposite to the old Pathum Thani
provincial hall even though Phraya Woraphongphiphat (MR Yen Issarasena Na Ayutthaya) intended to extend the line to Rahaeng district of Pathum Thani.

The correction from the pier opposite to Pathum Thani Provincial Hall to Wat Rahaeng in Lad Lumkaeo District (the district name has been changed)
has been done in the new contract of 1930 which allowed Bang Buathong Railway Co.Ltd. to remove the track at Wat Chaloem Phrakiat to Bang Sithong Pier (the pier opposite to the NEW Nonthaburi Provincial Hall in Bang Kwang).

NOPE, the line opposte to Pathumthani Provincial hall did not exist in reality since Phraya Woraphongphiphat intended to extend the track to Lad Lumkaeowhen the district was "Rahaeng".

The line to the Old Nonthaburi provincial hall near Wat Chaloem Phrakiat DID opened since PhrayaWoraphongse has intended to serve both his relatives who live in Wat Chaloem Phrakiat area and those who worked in the oldNonthaburi provincial Hall.

The short Branch at Bang Yai (km 17.4 -> near Bang Yai canal) was for loading paddy from the rice barges and fruits from the orchards around
that area.

Bang Kruay Station (km 5.8) -> NOT Bang Kuay please.

Bang Si Muang, it is the pier opposite to the New Nonthaburi Provincial
Hall at Bang kwang.

Bang Ploo? -> near Bang Ploo canal of course.

Bang Phla? No so sure until I read the map
Jumpi canal? Not so sure about that canal
Ban Laem Canal? Not so sure abotu that.

I have NEVER seen the published annual reporton Bang Buathong
railway at all even though I DID dig up the source in National Archieves.

[dick]

Thanks Khun Wisarut for the additional information.
Allow me some more questions.
Wat Boworn Mongkhon is km. 0.0
Bang Kruay km.5.8
But, a little bit west from Bang Si Mueng, we see Km. 15.8, than Km 17.4 for the branch to Bang Yai. I wonder, the map is approx. 1 to 50.000, so the distance seems to me to short, but okay, I can live with. But just north of Mae Nam On Canal I see Km 39.19 and than, more north, Km 25.5 (=Ban Bua Thong close to Phra Pimon Canal.)
Can you help me with Km 39.19? Is Km 19.19 realistic?
Are you agree when I write in the legend for the line to Pathum Thani : an old branch?
The sources for the stations is in my opinion poor. I think we don't explane them in the legend. If we can discover later the correct places of stops and stations, we can still put them in the map, I think.

[Wisarut]

Well, Mae Nam Om canal -> NOT Mae Nam On Canal please
Not so sure if it is the type error or otherwise, but probably 19.19 km
but you needto record that the original data is 39.19 km

For the case of the branch line to the pier opposite to the old
Pathum Thani Provincial Hall, just record this branchas "proposed in 1922
but scrapped in 1930."

Well, I'll try digging up more data and I'll print the list of stations and
stops along Bang Buathong railway in addition to the terminals if I coudl find them all.

[ncr]

Khun Dick,

Another nice map. Thanks!

However, I'd like to suggest some corrections/additions:

1. Now you placed the star (indicating "proposed in 1922, but scrapped in 1930") on the wrong branch.... This applies to the Bang Bua Thong - Pathum Thani section in the north. Actually you could write that right into the map, there's enough space.
The branch to Wat Chalerm Phrakiat, on the other hand, did exist for some time before being dismantled in 1930 - it wasn't just proposed (see Khun Wisarut's explanations in this thread).

2. For the Bang Bua Thong - Wat Rahaeng section, "opened 1930" could be added.

3. "Bang Bum Lu" should be written as Bang Bamru.

4. Typo in the title: Bang (with "g") Bua Thong please. And maybe you could add the dates for the line: opened 1915 - closed 16 July 1942.

Apart from that, continue the good work! I know many people here enjoy your maps.