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Old 13-12-07, 04:37 PM
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Hmm...looks like someone's liver could use the rest.
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Old 13-12-07, 10:13 PM
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Exclamation Official: Politics is more important than alcohol!

Here's what Phuket's finest have to say on the matter:

http://www.phuketgazette.com/news/index.asp?id=6156

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Thursday, December 13, 2007
Bars must close this weekend – and the next

PHUKET: The upcoming general election will be a sobering experience for the island’s party people, as a ban on alcohol sales will force bars to close for two consecutive weekends – starting at 6 pm tomorrow night.

Phuket Election Commission Director Supap Akkam this morning confirmed that the new election law prohibits alcohol sales not only on election day, but during the two-day advance voting period the week before.

As advance voting will be held this Saturday and Sunday, the ban on alcohol begins tomorrow at 6 pm. At that time, all bars and other outlets vending alcohol must cease sales until midnight on Sunday – or face arrest, he said.

All political campaigning is banned from 8 am Saturday until 6 pm on Sunday, he added.

The same ban on alcohol sales will also apply during the poll on December 23, when alcohol sales will be banned from 6 pm on Saturday, December 22 until midnight the following day.

Phuket Provincial Police Deputy Commander Col Paween Pongsirin told the Gazette that police will strictly enforce the ban, the purpose of which is to prevent drunken behavior that could disrupt polling or lead to violations of electoral law.

With two consecutive high-season weekends sacrificed to the cause of democracy, publicans can take some solace in the fact that all nightspots in Phuket will be allowed to remain open throughout the night on New Year’s Eve.

The official closing time that night has been moved to 6 am on New Year’s Day, Col Paween said.

Normal closing times will apply on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, which are not official holidays in Thailand, he said.
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Old 14-12-07, 12:31 PM
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Exclamation Official: You can suck the exchequer dry scot-free, but 1 beer is a major crime!

This will never stop votebuyers. Only direct prosecution might POSSIBLY stop votebuyers. Have you noticed any votebuyers getting 6 year sentences lately? The law is an ass! See also previous post:

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14 December 2007
Alcohol to be banned during the election
As to ensure the sanctity of the election, a measure has been implemented which will ban the sale of alcohol preceding and during the election day. The ban will apply to all entertainment venues as well as convenience stores with authorities reiterating that the measure is serious.

Alcoholic beverages will be taken off shelves on Saturday December 22nd and stay off until midnight of December 23rd. Authorities state that the measure is to ensure that people are fully ready for the election as well as to not allow vote-canvassers to organize parties to sway voters.

People who break the ban will face a hefty fine of up to 10,000 baht or up to six years in prison.
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Old 15-12-07, 08:35 AM
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Only direct prosecution might POSSIBLY stop votebuyers.
The only real way to stop vote-selling/buying is to educate the mass of the population to the level where they can earn a respectable living wage. That will then put the cost of buying the vote too high for corrupt politicians to pay.

In all countries where there the national economy does not give a liveable wage to all (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Thailand, Cambodia etc) "Democracy" has no real meaning for those who are hungry, or living in a shack, or too old or infirmed to work.

Sadly 75 years of democracy in Thailand has not raised everyone to the same or even similar levels of income as was the original idea. Politicians and the Military have spent most of their time infighting to develop a broadband economy that benefits all. Ironically it came down to a politician with little regard for the democratic process to actual give something to the poor of the nation .... 30 Baht healthcare, village loans, free cows etc.

The ban on alcohol pre-election is merely a symptom of the failure of the democratic process at this point in time and unless the incoming government seriously tackles the inequalities of the Thai economy, such symptoms will remain.

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Booze Banning does NOT create a good democracy
http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewN...=9500000148875

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http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.ph...=941&Itemid=31

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Thailand’s Democracy Drought
Our Correspondent
18 December 2007
The Kingdom goes dry – well, semi-dry – in advance of elections.

During one of the year’s heaviest tourist seasons, Thailand’s military-backed government has banned alcohol sales for two consecutive election weekends. This could seem to be very bad news for thirsty non-voting expatriates, but life has a way of working out.

“Man, that’s coffee,” observed the live entertainment, a soulful American keyboardist, as he savored the contents of a mug at his side. The dozen or so customers in the pub, whose tables also had coffee mugs rather than the beer bottles or cocktail glasses one would normally see here on a Friday night, seemed to agree.

“Kafae ni mai rawn” (this coffee is cold) I had pointed out to the comely waitress when my own mug arrived, and she politely giggled at my lame attempt at humor. Icy cold, in fact, and tasting rather like a certain Singaporean brew made with hops and named after a striped cat. My companion, meanwhile, reported that his “coffee” had the distinct bouquet of Jack Daniels.

Later, a cruise through the Soi Cowboy area found the normally bustling strip of go-go bars much quieter than normal on a Friday evening. Most had opted to stay open with large signs out front proclaiming that only soft drinks and the like were available, but at least one chain of bars shut down all of its venues. Thailand’s other great economic driver, the sex industry, seemed thrown for a loop.

Except for the so-called Dark Age of a couple of years ago, during the morality crackdown under then-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and the governor of Bangkok, the girlie bars of Soi Cowboy and vicinity have not faced anything like a Christmas period two-weekend ban. In places that were open, a few sad-looking foreigners could be seen nursing colas and water bottles as the dancing young women gazed glumly down from their brass-poled perches – sober foreigners are just not that much fun, and their pocketbooks were more likely to stay closed.

This was our investigative experience on December 14, the first evening of the sudden and unwelcome alcohol ban in the Land of Smiles. The purported reason: the Dec. 23 general election, with the first weekend being set aside for advance polling. The second weekend will be election time – and one of the busiest weekends of the year, since it is Christmas season.

Before we found our pub with its “brewed” coffee, we found masses of confused people wondering what the hell happened. Some were tourists who had just arrived to sample Bangkok’s renowned nightlife; others were locals who had simply not heard of the booze ban.

Indeed, the mini-prohibition had either been an afterthought or, more likely, was simply kept under wraps for reasons known only to the authorities. Whatever the truth of the matter, the evidence is that even some Thai-owned establishments were only notified a day or two ahead of time, and some Christmas parties and other events had already been planned and venues booked.

Thailand, of course, is well known for its frequent alcohol bans, usually for important Buddhist holidays or the King’s birthday, but often for less comprehensible reasons.

Bans for elections are a long tradition, and apparently serve three purposes:

*Sober voters theoretically make better choices in the election booth (although when the people soberly elected Thaksin Shinawatra one too many times in a landslide, the army brought the tanks out and set up their own regime).
*Because most elections in the past have necessitated travel to the voter’s home province, a booze ban should reduce highway carnage.
*Probably most important, the ban makes impractical, if not illegal, the “vote-buying parties” for which Thailand is infamous.

That’s the theory. The practice is something else.

The most obvious objection to the way election-time alcohol bans are carried out is that they target precisely the wrong people: tourists and expatriates, who can’t vote anyhow. Thais, of course, simply ignore the bans; as do most expats, but the authorities typically make life difficult by forcing bars that cater to foreigners to obey the edict while blatantly ignoring – even patronizing – those that cater to Thais. As for tourists, most are unaware that the probability of their actually being penalized for ignoring the ban is extremely low, and they don’t know the venues that practice business as usual (albeit with “coffee” or other ploys).

A local Internet forum in Hua Hin, a city on the Gulf of Thailand popular with long-term expatriates, was burning up this past weekend with complaints about the ban – and the duplicity of allowing Thai bars to stay open while expat hangouts were watched more carefully.

Numerous posts noted the ease with which anyone – foreigners included – could access a favorite beverage if necessary, but many said that wasn’t the point. For Thais, flouting the law is a national sport. Foreigners, typically from Europe or North America, are generally law-abiding by upbringing, if not by nature.

Not only that, expatriates are upset by what they see as inane governance that can only damage the economy. Slapdash lawmaking gets even further up expatriate noses when it is seen as targeting them or their livelihoods. Many are in the tourism or entertainment trade, and most support Thai families.

“Had a bottle or two of Chang at our favorite watering hole today. Just 50 meters away from a polling station and out in the sticks. It was business as usual. No question of hiding the bottles or drinking out of mugs,” wrote one poster on the HuaHinAfterDark.com Internet forum. “Sadly, the crazy ‘laws’ (and I use that term loosely) seem to only affect the farang-run bars, which are, from what I hear, really suffering from the lack of tourists this year.

“Come on, Thailand! We've had the tsunami, a military coup and some murders *– which are all reported in the tabloids in the west. And now holidaymakers are denied alcoholic drinks because of a (another loose term) ‘democratic’ election. Great news for the tourism industry! I feel sorry for the unaware tourists who have booked the Christmas holiday period here.”

“Isn't it about time the farangs had some kind of proper representation in this country? We pay taxes, can’t vote, can’t buy land, can’t work even for free, can’t take up a hobby without a work permit *– it would drive you to drink (sorry, can’ t drink!).”

The forum moderator replied: “Amen to that – can’t see it happening for a long time, though, the powers that be simply don’t like us. They tolerate us but they don’t like us. A good example is the alcohol crackdown on farang bars only, while the Thai-cop-run karaoke places are partying like there’s no tomorrow – all laughing at the stupid farangs that aren’t allowed to drink!”
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Old 23-12-07, 09:04 PM
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I have just placed my vote and was very very confused.
I think my vote became invalid.
There are 2 pieces of paper. One pink and one yellow. One is for the party. This one is very clear. The party's name and number are clearly printed on the ballot along with theor repspective number. #4 for democrat and #12 for PPP, and etc (throughout Thailand). You just put an X on the piece of paper. Although rather hastily. You just mark an X in the box next to your vote with a regular blue point pen

The other ballot is very confusing. It just has a bunch of numbers. No names or anything, just numbers. No party names or MP names. Secondly it doesn't state how many x's you can vote for. Usually for Bangkok 1,2, and 3 are for PPP Mps but in other places, it can become 11,12, 13. In some other places 11,12, and 13 are Democrat Mps. I wasn't sure if you vote for 1 x or for three Xs. At my polling place instead of three MP's per party it became only 2. I didn't know if you mark for the three MPs of the party or just vote for one or to mark two x's? PPP was I think 12 and 13. What was really confusing was there wasn't any information on the boards for other party list MPs other than the PPP. There were big stickers on the board for PPP candidates for 11 and 12 but no other information for other party members. The big board had like 20 or so boxes and the PPP sticker was pasted on #11 and #12 boxes. All the other boxes were empty! I think there was a another sticker on another box for a smaller party. The only sign I saw for other party members were like a few hundred meters away but those meters became a different polling place and possibly another amphur because the PPP party MPs also changed.

As for election observers I didn't see anything or anyone resembling an observer other than a police officer that was sitting behind the sign in the shade with a drink.

Personally I think this election might become invalid if there are many discrepacies between the votes.
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Publication Date: 23-12-2007


As Election Commission and government officials get set for today's election, almost 160 alleged cases of election fraud are being investigated.

All 88,500 polling stations nationwide will open today (Dec 23) at 8am and close at 3pm. The voter turnout is expected to be more than 70 per cent.

Unofficial results of the post-coup election should be available by midnight.

Commission secretary-general Suthiphon Thaveechaiy-garn said the agency had received a total of 742 complaints of election fraud, including 507 of vote buying and 79 of impartial state officials.

However, 585 complaints were found to be groundless.

Deputy Prime Minister Sonthi Boonyaratglin encouraged voters to get out and vote and to vote for good people.

Sources said Sonthi, who led the 2006 coup, had departed Bangkok for the Chiang Mai province yesterday (Dec 22) to see a trusted astrologer, following speculation there could be chaos after the polls.

Meanwhile, Maj-General Amnuay Mahapol of Police Region 3 said nine officers had been transferred from several lower-Northeast provinces as a result of allegations of impartiality.

"In Nakhon Ratchasima a villager complained to police that a political party was buying votes for Bt100 each," Amnuay said.

In Northeast's Buri Ram, a local government official in Phlubphlachai district also faces charges of intimidating villagers on behalf of a political party.

National police spokesman Lt-General Pongsapat Pongcharoen said two policemen would be stationed at each polling station until voting closed.

Police will direct traffic near polling stations and help electoral officials transport ballot boxes following the tallying, he said.

"All police stations are alert to campaign violations and unanticipated incidents in order to ensure uninterrupted balloting," he said.

More roadblocks will be established, and patrols across the country will be on the lookout for vote-buying, as well as crimes by those seeking to take advantage of voters leaving their homes unattended.

Commission member Prapun Naigowit said about 20 cases of vote-buying, including an incident in Maha Sarakham reported by the People's Network for Elections, or P-Net, were being investigated.

Prapun had no details about speculation that money destined for vote-buying had changed hands at casinos in Poipet, just over the Cambodian border.

"If the commission can uncover evidence to prove this, then culprits will be penalised, even though the wrongdoing took place abroad, because it was meant to tamper with the Thai electoral process," he said.

In the capital, the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration said the unofficial outcome of direct voting should be known by 8pm.

The computation of proportional votes will take longer because it includes ballots cast in Samut Prakan and Nonthaburi.

Vote counts will be broadcast in real time at City Hall, district offices and public places, it said.

In Phichit, resident Sannoh Matchima, 66, complained to police that an unidentified man had assumed his identity to cast an absentee ballot in Bangkok last Saturday.

He said he had discovered his name removed from the list of voters for today's balloting because he had voted in advance.

In Kamphaeng Phet, the provincial election office was reviewing a compliant by villagers that People Power canvassers had offered them Bt300 each to vote for the party.

Northern P-Net leader Prapoj Srithes said he had alerted authorities to attempts to buy votes on the eve of balloting in Phichit and Sukhothai.

Prapoj produced buffalo tails as evidence of three among over 100 vote-buying cases in Noen Maprang district of Phitsanulok.

The tails, a delicacy for making soup, were given to villagers last week by canvassers seeking votes, he said.
http://www.asianewsnet.net/news.php?aid=14146
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Restaurants breach law prohibiting alcohol sales on election day

Two restaurant owners arrested on Saturday Dec. 15


Staff reporters
Predictably, the recently announced law preventing sales of alcoholic drinks on parliamentary election days was disregarded at various entertainment venues in the Chiang Mai area. During inspections on 15th December authorised by the commander of San Kamphaeng Municipal Police Station, a team of officers led by Police Captain Phakhorn Suravichai visited a number of venues, and arrested two persons who were found to be in breach of the law. Mr. Nakharin Faknak, the owner of the Rainbow at Moo 3, San Kamphaeng, and Mrs Sompopng Khonlasit, the owner of Kuk Kai Karaoke at Moo 1, Tan Pao, also in San Kamphaeng district, were taken to San Kamphaeng Police Station and charged. They will both be prosecuted for illegally selling alcohol inside designated election zones.
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