Saphan Mai Extension

[Wisarut]

Blueprint for 12-km phaholyothin extension (Mochit - saphan mai) => 20 billion Baht
prachachat Thurakij -> 15-17 November 2007


This Phaholyothin extension will need investment of 20 billion Baht for 12 km route to be opbe in December 2012. Even though the construction has not started at all, the private sectors alogn Phaholyothin extension make a clear intention to invest on the via ducts connecting Skytrain stations with theri shops - including Central Lad Phrao, Major Ratchayothin, Tesco Lotus (Laksi Branch and Lad Phrao branch), and Sri pathum University.


The Design for Phaholyothin extension will be done in Jan 2008 ... and the design will be sent to get cabinate approval in March 2008. If the design is approved, BMA will call a bidding to start the construction in November 2008 and done in December 2012

About 20 billion Baht was in need for this extension
10 billion Baht for civil Works
4 billion Baht for system installation
1.4 Billion Baht for land Exappaopiration for the new Depot at Saphan mai
5 billion Baht for 20 New set of rollign stocks (3 or 4-car formation).



There will be 12 stations on this route


1 Lad Phrao Intesection Station in front of Central Lad Phrao - 350 meter away from Subway Gate .. with via duct to Hor Wang.

2. Phaholyothin Station at Phaholyothin 24 betwene Chang Building and Suphalai condo



3. Ratchayothin staiton not far from Major Ratchayothin

4. Senanikhom station, at Senanikhom 2 lane

5. Kasetsart university - 150 metere from Kasen Intersection ...


6. Forestry Dept. station near Sara Witthaya high school to prevent the obstruction of Forestry Dept.

7. Bang Bua station between Sri pathum university and Bang Bua primary school


8. the 11th Inf. Reg. station ... in fron of the 11th inf. reg. ..


9. Wat Phrasri Mahathat ... Station will be move to be side with Bang Khen district office tpo prevent the obstrucion of the tunnel


10. Laksi Monument - at tesco Lotus laksi

11. Pahholyothin 50 - near Phaholyothin 50 road

12. Yign Charone - in front of Ying Charoen Martket


The 12 station will be much better/much more modern design that the existing BTS stations ... with cheaper construction cost ... Each station will be Unique and full aesthetic ... eeasy to remember ... energy savign design to boot.

However, the station will be shorted from the current 150 meter to 135 meter ... smaller concorse to cu down the space for 7-11 or so ... The size of the level will be down from 2 meter to 1 meter with area under statin from 550 sq meter to 650 meter

the spece between pillars will be wider form 3 meter to 5 meter ... the Interchange with Phaholyothin Subway station will be at lad Phrao Intersection station ... with central platform as Siam statin .... and Skywalk connecting Central lad Phrao and Hor wang with Skytrain.

However, kaset Flyover must be modidified ... with ONLY 300-m long flyover over Kaset intersection with 2 traffic lanes instead of coverign both Kaset intersection and Senanikhom intersection/. All the cars fro msena Nikhom have to turn left to Ratchayothn before goign to Kaset Intersection ... to allow the constrctin of Senanikhm station

There will be new tunnnel along Ratchadaphiserk at Ratchayothin intersectin and new 300-meter long flyover alogn Phaholyothin with 2 traffic lane.

lad Exappropriation will be near th Southern end of Donmaung Airport -. juist 90 Rai of land (about 36 Acre) .. the blind spot areas and empty land behind Airport Hotel and Treasury Dept. land. BMA is goign to cut the new road connecting Vibhavadee Highway with Phaholyothin at ther Southern end of Donmueang Airprot ...

New Depot will be hte place fo 20 new rollign stocks with 3 billion Baht construction cost.

New park and ride buiding for 1000 cars will be at empty land behind Bang Khen District Office. This Park and Ride will be under service of BMA ... Initially free ... but BMA will collect the fee later.


Now Suphalai PCL Metro Sar, Major developemtn group are goign to make ral estate investment alogn Phaholyothin extension. ... Suphalia PCL want to connect with Phaholyothin 24 while Major Developemtn want to make at connection with ratchayothin staion

Major Retailers also make a clear intention to invest alogn PPhaholyothin extension. Central patthathan want to construct via duct connecting Central lad Phrao with lad Prhao intersection station even though the are not so sure if they will get the new lease extension from SRT ... Tesco Laksi want to conect with laksi monument station wehile Stip Prathoim Unviersity want to connect with Bang bua tation v. ... Even Mayo hospital want to connect with Senanikhom station .

With the popular suports this, it will be a political suicide if ANY politicians want to Obstruct his extension project.
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[TGunner]

Thanks for the info krab K. Wisarut. I'm not sure if I like the look of the station! It looks like an Aliens' base or something. Pretty freaky to me! But I hope they will build the line as scheduled though.

[Wisarut]

Furthermore requests for phaholyothin extensions
Transport Journal - 19-25 November 2007

1. Further extension from Saphan mai all the way to Thammasart Rangsit since they have fed up with long wating for BMTA Bus No. 520 and No. 39 or being clamped inside BMTA Van 118 (Mochit - Thammasart Rangsit)

2. If further extension Saphan mai to Thammasart Rangsit is NOT possible, the extension all the way to Garden Home Village is okay to serve those RTAF men and their families who want to go into the city ...

3. Dredging Bang Bua canal and resume the feeder boat services along Bang Bua canal from Saphan Mai to Phra Khanong via Klong tan.

4. CHanging the name of some station to be much easier to remeber such as:

Phaholyothin 24 -> Either Tuek Chang or Satree Woranart school.
Phahol Yothin 50 -> Yothin Phatthana

[Wisarut]

Nahhh the news state that the line will go across Lad Phrao Intersection over the Tollway and the next station after Mochit is Lad Phrao Intersection between central lad Phrapo and Hor Wang school!

[TGunner]

Originally Posted by TheTrainMan

What is not reported anywhere, is at present, the design at Mor Chit DOES NOT fully connect to the current station of BTS - this is because BTS may not be awarded the concession to run trains on the new section of line - I hope people realsie that they might have to change trains somewhere near Mor Chit to go into / come from the central area of BKK.

It hasn't been reported anywhere, but it's NOT TRUE. That's just a silly rumour. This Mo Chit -Sapan Mai secteion will be EXTENDED from the current line. (I mean just take a look at the current extensions that are under construction. Do you see the gaps between them and the current lines? And the concessions to run trains on the extensions haven't been decided or awarded to anyone either.) I don't know where you got that silly rumour from.

[TheTrainMan]

The present requirements incorporates two "interchange" stations where people wanting to go from Mor Chit to Saphan Mai will need to get off one train and get onto another - the present BTS system will terminate (tracks stop) at the interchange station. The same will happen in the opposite direction. There will also be a new depot and control centre, so effectively the new line can operate without BTS - which is probably what is going to happen......

Now, if you can call this an extension, then can someone explain to me how getting off one train and onto another is convenient.....I want to be able to get on a train at Saphan Mai and get off at Siam - at present this will NOT be possible with the current proposal. This is BMA and OTP at its best !!!

[TGunner]

Originally Posted by TheTrainMan

The present requirements incorporates two "interchange" stations where people wanting to go from Mor Chit to Saphan Mai will need to get off one train and get onto another - the present BTS system will terminate (tracks stop) at the interchange station. The same will happen in the opposite direction. There will also be a new depot and control centre, so effectively the new line can operate without BTS - which is probably what is going to happen......

Now, if you can call this an extension, then can someone explain to me how getting off one train and onto another is convenient.....I want to be able to get on a train at Saphan Mai and get off at Siam - at present this will NOT be possible with the current proposal. This is BMA and OTP at its best !!!

BTSC still has as good a chance as any company to win the concessions to run the trains on these extensions (Keep in mind that they have already agreed to buy trains from Changchun to run Taksin and Bang Na extensions.) I don't see how you can conclude it definitely that the extensions "will" be run as you believe, especially when TOR's for these lines still haven't even been finalized yet. Or maybe you are certain that they "will" be run as you said, because you personnaly have written the TOR's yourself?

I personally just don't see how it's worthwhile to discuss someone's imagination of how these lines "will" be run. It's prefectly fine with me if you have all the facts related to this and then complain about it (while bashing Thailand and Thai officials in the process as you like.) But frankly to do it based on someone's personal imgaination or assumptions just riles me.


PS. I see that you first say that people will have to change trains "somewhere near Mo Chit", then you changed the story to this "interchange stations" fairy tale. So which one is it exactly that you want us to imagine and play along?

[TheTrainMan]

Originally Posted by TGunner

BTSC still has as good a chance as any company to win the concessions to run the trains on these extensions (Keep in mind that they have already agreed to buy trains from Changchun to run Taksin and Bang Na extensions.) I don't see how you can conclude it definitely that the extensions "will" be run as you believe, especially when TOR's for these lines still haven't even been finalized yet. Or maybe you are certain that they "will" be run as you said, because you personnaly have written the TOR's yourself?

I personally just don't see how it's worthwhile to discuss someone's imagination of how these lines "will" be run. It's prefectly fine with me if you have all the facts related to this and then complain about it (while bashing Thailand and Thai officials in the process as you like.) But frankly to do it based on someone's personal imgaination or assumptions just riles me.


PS. I see that you first say that people will have to change trains "somewhere near Mo Chit", then you changed the story to this "interchange stations" fairy tale. So which one is it exactly that you want us to imagine and play along?

"Change Trains" and "Interchange Station" means exactly the same - this concept for the new line has actually been reported in news conferences that in fact OTP held recently.

The fact that a depot will be built along with a new control centre suggests to me that the line can be self sufficient. I am not saying that this is going to be the final decision, and sensibly it would be much better if BTS ran the whole railway (with no interchange stations required) only that the present publisised idea is to have an interchange station requiring people to change trains - of course things could all change tomorrow.......it usually does !!!

[jpatokal]

Originally Posted by TGunner

(I mean just take a look at the current extensions that are under construction. Do you see the gaps between them and the current lines? And the concessions to run trains on the extensions haven't been decided or awarded to anyone either.)

Actually one of the things holding up the Taksin extension is BMA's plan to use incompatible signalling and maybe even get a different operator for it. You'll also note that the present Saphan Taksin station is single-track, making this quite a chokepoint for the system.

[Wisarut]

Originally Posted by jpatokal

Actually one of the things holding up the Taksin extension is BMA's plan to use incompatible signalling and maybe even get a different operator for it. You'll also note that the present Saphan Taksin station is single-track, making this quite a chokepoint for the system.

Well, BTSC is goign to change the signal system of all sections alogn with extensions to Bombadier to allow CNR Changchun rollign stocks to run on teh tracks instad of allwoign the Monopoly by Siemens ....

[TGunner]

Originally Posted by jpatokal

Actually one of the things holding up the Taksin extension is BMA's plan to use incompatible signalling and maybe even get a different operator for it. You'll also note that the present Saphan Taksin station is single-track, making this quite a chokepoint for the system.

BMA is NOT planning on using incompatible signalling on Taksin extension. They wanna use Bombardier's....which is exactly the SAME system that BTSC will be using after they are done changing the current system. The final decision on signalling system has been delayed because of concerns about unfair bidding over this deal. BMA doesn't wanna be seen as favouring Bombardier.

And the fact that Taksin station is single track has nothing to do with what I was talking to TheTrainMan.