Running&Preserved:Mother's Day Steamer

[admin]

Roger writes: "On the evening of Tuesday or Wednesday last week I saw a steam train on the Rangsit to Bangkok line. It was black or dark green and was either pulling or being pushed by the regular train. It was using its boiler as there was a fair amount of steam coming from it. Thought you would like to know."

Anyone know what train this is?

[admin]

Roger writes: I found a website called 'Steam in Thailand 1999'. The train colours match the one I saw, although my glimpse of it lasted about two seconds. This is the site (http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/trains/thai1.htm).

[Wisarut]

Khun ROn, the steam locomotive you mentioned must be
the Mikado 953 (the oil-burning steam locomotive preserved and used for the tourists durign special occassions by SRT) .
Some of Thai railfans have ridden this steam locomotive from Hua Lamphong to Ayutthaya ...

Thoe steamp locomotive you saw in Steam in Thailand 1999 is the C56 locomotived purchased from the Allied Forces which seized the Death Railway as well as the railway propertieds after the Japense surrender in 1945. This one is a part of 1.25 Million Sterling package whiuch the Allied Forces sold back to Thailand.
-> the rails and loco from British Malayu had to be paid in Pound Sterling while the rest could be purchased in Baht.

At that time, the tracks had already been removed 36 km (30 km in Burma side and 6 km from Thailand side [Nikhe - Three Pagoda Pass]. The track was also constructed in very shoddy manners ... usign very low quality materails -> whcih cause frequent derails
-> including fatal accident to the Minister of Transportastion on Feb 1, 1947.

After this fatal accident, the government decided to remove the track from Nikhe to Namtok (Tha Sao then) toi be used as the rail for Nong Pladue - Suphanburi, Kaeng Khoi - Lam Narai and Thung Pho - Khirirat Nikhom .... and reconstructed the rest to meet the commercial standard.

[ncr]

Anyone can help?

How many operable steam engines does SRT still have?

And do they occasionally run steam trains for tourism? If yes, where to find a program/schedule?

:cool: Many thanks... :cool:

[Wisarut]

5 Steam Locos still running - all made in Japan

1) Pacific 824
2) pacific 850
3) Mikado 953
4) C56 Mogul 713
5) C56 Mogul 715

The follwing occassions will be the days we can see steam locos:

1) March 26
2) August 12
3) October 23
4) December 5
5) Maenam Kwae festival - Kanchanaburi (nov 28 - Dec 5)
Such special trains usually go from BKK to Ayutthaya
The Only exception would be Mae Nam Kwae festival which heading from Thonburi to Namtok

[admin]

This may be another line to add to the defunct lines list (http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok/srt/defunct.shtml).

On this page->
http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/trhf/index.shtml

The first photos are about a steam engine 75 cm gauge for a sugar plantation in Hat Yai...

Reiner once wrote somthing about this. Does anyone have further info (especially location)?

[von Hirschhorn]

Khun Admin,

First I thought big news, but the link was my own list and the other the private Railway museum hidden in a nice park once connected by rail to the rest of he network. I have a map showing that spure line even went as far as todays BTS Mo Chit station.
Anyway, the mentioned locomotives are 600 mm, two of them where dilivered to the SRT stock numbers: 31 and 32.
The first for years was plinthed at Chiang Mai in front of the station, the other te same in Hat Yai.
The Chiang Mai one was removed about three years ago with a yet unknown destination or fate.
Today the empty (show) place is filled with two old handworking lorries (draisine)
About the plantation in the South I have no idea what so ever.
Every one with specific notion and other knowledge is mostly welcome to reply.

[Wisarut]

For the Steam Loco Plinthed in fron of Chaingmai Station is Swiss Loco No 340 and it is still in Chiangmai ... but the No 31 Loco wood cutting tracks is unknown to me.

[The Enforcer!]

They used to run steam trains once/twice a year to Kanchanaburi - is this still done?

The Enforcer!

[Wisarut]

KHun Enforcer. Yeah, they still run Mikado, Pacific and C56-Mogul for that Kanchanaburi festival.

[The Enforcer!]

Great, Khun Wisarut, do you have dates?

The Enforcer!

[Wisarut]

Nov 28 - Dec 5, Kanchanaburi

[The Enforcer!]

Thanks!!

The Enforcer!

[rodfaithai]

private Railway museum hidden in a nice park once connected by rail to the rest of he network

I've heard that the owner is broke and waiting for donation to keep this museum alive.

Anyway, the mentioned locomotives are 600 mm, two of them where dilivered to the SRT stock numbers: 31 and 32

see Number 32 here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rodfaithai/Steam%20Locomotive/1708SoongNern.jpg

related URL

This is a train museum on the western side of Chatuchak Park
http://www.thailandguidebook.com/railwaymuseum.html
Help !
http://www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=871

[Wisarut]

Three Pillar Trestle Model at Ban Phachi
http://www.rotfaithai.com/files/resize_of_img_0134_a2.jpg

Swiss Loco for Mixed Train on Three Pillar trestle
http://www.rotfaithai.com/files/resize_of_img_0132a1.jpg

Krupp on the Trestle
http://www.rotfaithai.com/files/picture029-1.jpg

[Wisarut]

Cargo train pulled by Krupp
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/rotfaithai/model_srt_03.jpg

The Crane for salvaging the derailed trains
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/rotfaithai/model_srt_12.jpg
Old Passenger Train (circa 1910)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/rotfaithai/model_srt_14.jpg
Unclassified Cargo train
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/rotfaithai/model_srt_16.jpg
Modern Crane
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/rotfaithai/model_srt_17.jpg

1 Set of Modern Crane train with Flat wagon
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/rotfaithai/model_srt_22.jpg

[ncr]

Originally posted by Wisarut
The Crane for salvaging the derailed trains
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/rotfaithai/model_srt_12.jpg

Modern Crane
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/rotfaithai/model_srt_17.jpgDoes the SRT actually have something like this? If yes, where is it kept?

[Wisarut]

They are DONE by Thai railway workers at Ban Phachi Junction

[ncr]

Originally posted by Wisarut
They are DONE by Thai railway workers at Ban Phachi Junction Yes, Khun Wisarut, I understood very well that the photos show models, not real cranes. What I wanted to know is, does SRT have the same equipment in full scale (i.e. were the miniatures modeled after SRT rolling stock, or are they fictitious)?

[Wisarut]

Yes, the have one at Khorat Shed, Thunsong Shed, Lampang Shed, Sila At Shed, and Hat yai Shed

[von Hirschhorn]

One of the forum members did what I never did or was able to do, seeing the sound and light show in Kanchanaburi. (see report on main page)
And although khun Wisarut gave answers, a few extra plus comment.

Type C56 2-6-0 original 1067 mm (Cape gauge)
SRT 713 Hitachi 628 - 1935 ex JNR C56.15
SRT 715 Nippon Sharyo 374 - 1935 ex JNR C56.17

Both located at the Thonburi depot as all the other steam driven things.
A few more C56 survived the slaughter and can be found on plinth i.a.
SRT 702 - C56.4 (Nam Tok Sai Yok Noi waterfall)
SRT 714 - C56.16 (Bangkok - Hua Lamphong / end platform 1)
SRT 719 - C56.23 (Kanchanaburi - river Kwae bridge)
SRT 728 - C56.36 (Nakhon Lampang - in front of station)
SRT 744 - C56.52 + old coaches (Chiang Mai - on road 1001 near Ma Cho)
Stood there from 1992 for several years as the office of an real estate company, disappeared now.

The Garrat
SRT 457 2-8-2+2-8-2 Henschel 23109 - 1936
In 1986 I took my first picture of this machine in the backyard of the Bangsue depot. In 1989 it still stood there partly overgrown. In the meantime I paid many times my respect to the old lady.
By that time there was no real Thai railfan club or any other organisation even websites, only a handfull enthouisasts - Thai as farang as well - stricktly operating on there own and hardly knowing each other.
It was Khun Sanpsiri Viriyasiri - the founder of the railmuseum in the park- who claimed the discovery of the Garret.
Well he may have the credits, after all it was him who brought the engine to Kanchanaburi in the first place as a starter of a far more complex enterprise
a steam locomotive park - open air museum. Unfortunate failed as many things in Thailand fails due to the lack of common interest (i.e. railways)
Those where the days one felt like a pioneer who only could rely on him self.
These days are less bleak, just browsing the web and one can think that there must be many Thai railfans by now!
However, it's good to see things in a broad perspective, being pioneer is one thing, sharing information an other.

[ncr]

One of the forum members did what I never did or was able to do, seeing the sound and light show in Kanchanaburi. (see report on main page)My account and the two pictures are now on this page: http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/srt/srt-history.shtml

[GWR]

Well, Rotfaithai's picture does actually show 'SoongNern' in the relatively new location I mentioned above.

The Thai inscription on the plinth appears to say that the Loco 'SoongNern' was used for sugar cane transport.The plinth's English transcription of the rest is:-

Locomotive No 32 Series 31-33 Type 0-4-0
Maker + Kyosan Kogyo of Fukushima, Japan
The State Railway of Thailand has started the operation from Bangkok to Hat-Yai since 1 April 1917. Which was the beginning of Hat-Yai Development Era.

Why was a sugar cane loco used to immortalise this development in an area that is not (currently) renowned for industrial-scale sugar production? Does this loco have any connection to the old SoongNern firewood line in Khorat Province?
If you look at the tender in RFT's image, you might get the impression that the detail on the wheels is painted on. I might be wrong, but it looks to me as if the tender is little more than a mock-up of the original.

[Wisarut]

Well, because the much better steam locos have been SCRAPPED such as the French Loco, Nysmith Loco or so ...

[GWR]

Well, because the much better steam locos have been SCRAPPED such as the French Loco, Nysmith Loco or so ...

Higher scrap value due to more brass fittings etc I suppose.

Driving along the expressway once, I once saw a whole stack of steam locos on a siding. As a rail enthusiast, I suspect you are familiar with Dai Woodhams Scrapyard at Barry Dock in Wales. When I drove past it in the late 1960s there were hundreds (possibly thousands) of steam locos lined up on old dock sidings several tracks deep and about 2 miles long waiting the scrapper's torch. From the little I know, Dai Woodham was not without some compassion (and perhaps long-term business nouse). He didn't hurry the cutting up process too much, and so ended up as the major supplier to the preserved railway industry. I believe he also singled out the better quality locos to preserve.
Do such scrappers exist here? I notice some old diesel locos (and even a few steamers) at Bang Sue for example
.

[Wisarut]

Kun GWR,

YOu are refering to Makkasan railway Yard (the place you look form the Expressway) ...

However, I think those who scrappers and junk yard dealers in Chiang Kong, and Klong Thom would liek this fact that teh Steam loco as a whole are considered valuable than the scapped pieces .... if they can fidn the billionairs who are willign to pay for the locos

[GWR]

Well, it was actually near Bangkok Port and I believe it was in 1992. They've probably been moved or scrapped by now. Maybe they were being exported even!?

Where do they stable the locos that do the Nam Tok and Ayutthaya runs?

I presume you mean Chiang Kong in Chiang-Rai and Khlong Thom in Krabi Province. Further explanations might encourage a photo visitation.

[Dave]

I am compiling a list of existing RSR/SRT steam locomotives in Thailand in MS Excel format. Thus far my sources are R. Ramaer's book and various internet sources. Unfortunately the print quality of the map on page 167 of Ramaer's book is poor with many loco numbers obscured. Does anyone have a comprehensive list or can direct me to other sources? I will be happy to email a copy of the list to members of the forum for your contributions or corrections.

Thanks,
Dave

[von Hirschhorn]

Ramaer's list is everything exept up to date.
I can come along although while writing no dates at hand, I can give you a list later as far as my informations and knowledge goes.
If you read your self through the threads, you'll find some changes.

[Dave]

The locations on Ramaer's map where locomotive numbers are illegible are:

Udon Thani
Ayutthaya
Chachoengsao
Bangkok / Makkasan / Bang Sue
Nong Pladuk
Thung Song
Chumpon
Kok Pho

Information as to which locomotives are displayed at these locations will be helpful. Regarding No. 31 at Chiang Mai, can someone verify if this is a standard gauge 2-6-0 (Mogul)?

Thanks,
Dave

[Wisarut]

Khun Dave,

Look at the photo of Thai Steram Loco whcih have been Plinted here:
http://www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2394

Note thate the list of plinted Steam Loco in Railway of Thailand is
ORIGINALLY come from "The Memory of 72nd Anniversary of the Establishment of the Royal Thai Railway" pubished by SRT in 1969.

No. 31? That's the old Soong Noen Narrow Gauge Loco for firewood!

The Number 340 (also at Chaing Mai) is Consolidate SLM Steam Loco
sued for the section from Uttaradit to Chiang Mai ....

[von Hirschhorn]

No 31 from Chiang Mai removed from his plinth several years ago and not known where hiding yet. It's supposed that the engine should have been refurbished for the queen’s project something not realised till today. In front of the Makkasan workshop are two lovely 600 coaches also mends for the project.

[von Hirschhorn]

The locations on Ramaer's map where locomotive numbers are illegible are:

Udon Thani *
Ayutthaya *
Chachoengsao (see below)
Bangkok / Makkasan / Bang Sue (see below)
Nong Pladuk *
Thung Song *
Chumpon (see below)
Kok Pho *

* = I have never seen any loco here while visiting but I must admit some visits where a long time ago, so who knows what changed meanwhile. Ramaer's (list) explorations took place in the seventies (1900)

Regarding No. 31 at Chiang Mai, can someone verify if this is a standard gauge 2-6-0 (Mogul)?
No, this is narrow gauge - 600 mm. Here the list.

No.31 0-4-0T Koyosan Kogyo of Fukushima 6070 ? – 1949 [location yet unknown / before station square Chiang Mai]
No.32 0-4-0T Koyosan Kogyo of Fukushima 6071 – 1949 [Songhkla - Thanon Thammanowitti / before station entrance Hat Yai]
No.33 0-4-0T Koyosan Kogyo of Fukushima 6072 – 1949 [Bangkok – museum Chatuchak]

Chachoengsao
No.182 4-6-0 North British, Hyde park 21809 – 1919 [station square]

Chumphon
No.9 0-6-2T 600 mm Hudson & Co – 1995 [station square]
No.178 4-6-0 North British, Hyde park 21809 – 1919 [station square]
No.235 4-6-2 Baldwin 59441 – 1926 [station square]

Bangkok – Bang Sue
No.7 2-4-0T Krauss 5427 – 1905 ex MRC 1 (Maeklong Railway Company) [depot entrance]

The list of preserved C56 (ex JNR 2-6-0) see the thread: working steam locomotives
Preservation in Thailand is foremost meaning put on a plinth in front or near a station as a reminder of the past or a decoy for today’s travel, by train of course!
If you mail me your list I can make corrections for example industrial locomotives (narrow gauge) if you are interested in them as well and not on the list yet.

[GWR]

It's difficult to remember just what is was that I saw in 1992; especially with so many expressway changes. A look at my trusty PN Maps A2Z Bangkok suggests that I saw a collection of steam locos on the sidings running towards the riverside port area (from the PTT and Banchak spur) in the region of Wat Khlong Toei Nai & Wat Khlong Toei Nok. I was on a tourbus proceeding west from Bang Na.
The other slight possibility is at some point on the Shell & Caltex spur, either south of the north-heading expressway, or south of the west-heading expressway. I was on the left-hand side of the bus. And I later remember seeing a south-heading loco with oil tankers on the right-hand side of the expressway.

Near the port for sure. Not Makkasan.

[GWR]

No.32 0-4-0T Koyosan Kogyo of Fukushima 6071 – 1949 [Had Yai – near station entrance

Hope I'm not stating something rather obvious in the arcane world of real railway enthusiasts; as I'm not an insider in that respect.
The aforesaid loco is no longer resident outside Hat-Yai Station:-

http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showpost.php?p=2576&postcount=5

RodFaiThai earlier added a photo of the loco in its new location:-
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showpost.php?p=1693&postcount=4

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rodfaithai/Steam%20Locomotive/1708SoongNern.jpg

I took a closer peek last weekend, recorded the plinth caption and took some pictures; although nothing to better Rodfaithai's pic:-
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showpost.php?p=3667&postcount=6

[von Hirschhorn]

OK GWR, that’s the problem for the real or non-real enthusiasts alike, things changes, even plithed locomotives have to move now and then. Since a lot of them is spread through the country it’s almost not done to check regularly, so you rely on your own sightings in the hope that they are forever. Anyway step by step the ultimate list will disappear although for the time being.

[GWR]

I think its time to put these in regional museums (as the Govt plans), as they currently suffer from neglect and public indifference. 'SoongNern' had a short sojourn (by low-loader) to the local uni's National Agricultural Fair (all of two kilometers) a few years back. God knows why they bothered. The average citizen isn't that interested in factual history.

[Wisarut]

Well, all 5 servicable Steam Loco and the Plinthed Mikado 950 at Thonburi Shed is here:

http://www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2549

[GWR]

Fantastic. We are all absolutely green with envy. Thanks to Khun Wisarut & the entire crew of RotFaiThai. We also want to know which one Khun Wisarut is in the pics.

[ncr]

Fantastic. We are all absolutely green with envy. Thanks to Khun Wisarut & the entire crew of RotFaiThai. We also want to know which one Khun Wisarut is in the pics.As far as I can see, Khun Wisarut is in none of those pics. There was once a photo of him in TCC subway station somewhere on the website, but I cannot find it anymore. He can also be seen here (http://angkor.com/2bangkok/1stmeeting.JPG) on the far right, though......... oh, and that's me on the left, btw. :)

(Now, the only task left for you is: spot the webmaster......)

[Dave]

Robert von Hirschhorn and I are collaborating on the list and a preliminary edition has been prepared in Micorsoft Excel and Adobe Acrobat formats. Anyone who wants a copy, please send private message with your e-mail address. This is a work in progress and ll contributions and corrections are most welcomed.

Dave

[ncr]

As far as I can see, Khun Wisarut is in none of those pics. There was once a photo of him in TCC subway station somewhere on the website, but I cannot find it anymore.And another one.... Still not the picture I was actually looking for (it seems it has disappeared from the website).
But here he is: His Excellency, Mr. "100 lb/yd welded steel rail" Wisarut Bholsithi (http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/Subway/firstride2.jpg), STRE (Supreme Thai Railway Expert).
(From First ride on the subway! April 18, 2004 (http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/Subway/firstrides.shtml).)

[von Hirschhorn]

OK now we have seen a picture behind a name – sawasdee – back to the topic of this thread. The first draft of the list I send to Dave already, an other will follow soon because I found two more locomotives. For the sake of a definitive list (for the time being of course because - even locomotives on a plinth have to move sometimes) send your knowledge or sightings. Better known already than forgotten.

[Wisarut]

Hi everybody,

I just ride Steam Loco 901/902 with other members of Thairailfan.com
and als met Uncle Renier with his Thai friend .... :p

Okay ... Just take a look at those photo of Thai railfan durign steam riding
here:

http://www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2591
http://www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2593
http://www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2594
http://www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2627

[GWR]

Hope I'm not stating something rather obvious in the arcane world of real railway enthusiasts; as I'm not an insider in that respect.
The aforesaid loco is no longer resident outside Hat-Yai Station:-
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showpost.php?p=2576&postcount=5
RodFaiThai earlier added a photo of the loco in its new location:-
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showpost.php?p=1693&postcount=4
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rodfaithai/Steam%20Locomotive/1708SoongNern.jpg
I took a closer peek last weekend, recorded the plinth caption and took some pictures; although nothing to better Rodfaithai's pic:-
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showpost.php?p=3667&postcount=6
Found this low-res image of SoongNern in its original situ at the main entrance to Hat-Yai Junction Station:-
http://www.asiatour.com/x-photos/thailand/travel/rails-01.jpg

[GWR]

Here's an image of the remaining plinthed loco at Hat-Yai:

http://photos.bravenet.com/633/867/102/473735DF85.jpg

[Wisarut]

That's Baldwin Pacific 244 Loco ..

Baldwin Locs were for the Southern branch lines at Kantang, Nakhon Srithammarat, and even Sugei Golok ... There short strokes have prevented them from using on the main trunk lines though.

[von Hirschhorn]

I have just got a CD with more than 7000 Thai Rail pictures, most from the Rotfaithai website I still have problems with. (Especially reading)
Quite a few of them deals with the subject preserved, (and the listening) unfortunate I have only plain pictures and no text whatsoever.
What surprised me most are two - what looks like - new pictures (colour or slide) with older types of locomotive (as far as I could decipher numbers: 163 and 182) on a sort of test run in front of what seems to be a workshop.
Two possibilities: 1) I missed something in the development of Thai Railways although I hardly can believe that the SRT or any other organisation / fan club recent refurbished and make them fit to run, three (3) old engines.
2) Or these are old pictures and someone fiddles around, today’s computer high-tech opens new dimensions.
Anyway if anyone is familiar with these images or exactly know where to find them on the rotfaithai website, maybe he or she is able to deliver some background information as well before they appear on a list.

[Wisarut]

Khun von Hirschhorn said:




I have just got a CD with more than 7000 Thai Rail pictures, most from the Rotfaithai website I still have problems with. (Especially reading)
Quite a few of them deals with the subject preserved, (and the listening) unfortunate I have only plain pictures and no text whatsoever.

What surprised me most are two - what looks like - new pictures
(colour or slide) with older types of locomotive (as far as I could decipher numbers: 163 and 182) on a sort of test run in front of what seems to be
a workshop.

Two possibilities:

1) I missed something in the development of Thai Railways although I hardly can believe that the SRT or any other organisation / fan club recent refurbished and make them fit to run, three (3) old engines.
2) Or these are old pictures and someone fiddles around, today’s computer high-tech opens new dimensions.

Anyway if anyone is familiar with these images or exactly know where to find them on the rotfaithai website, maybe he or she is able to deliver some background information as well before they appear on a list


You are refering to E Class No. 163 and E. Class 182.

The photograph you have seen is the OLD photo of both E Class ... a few year before the decommission:

E Class 182 is NOW Plinted in front of Chachoengsao Junction Station
You can take a look at my photo here:

http://www.rotfaithai.com/files/chachongsaoplint.jpg

[von Hirschhorn]

Thanks khun Wisarut,
It crossed my mind that these must be old pictures, and I do have my own shots from the 182 at Chachoengsao, none of the 163. However, as I said before I good have missed something, not all the fine details of development reaches the other side of the world, especially before the internet era. I like to get things strait but even a minor detail – in the whole of the Thai railway history and presence – such as a complete list of preserved steam (and other) engines, seems to be a tough task.
A small remark: if these colour pictures were taking short for decommission, the locomotives are anything exempt running on their last legs.

[Wisarut]

Khun Wisarut,

I had a closer look at the three (3) pictures someone send
me (amongst 7000 others) and I referred too in the thread:

List of preserved Thai steam engines.

182 must be 185 and the way the pictures were taken it looks quite new and certain not near the end of their decommission as you stated in one of the replies.

No it look likes a fair and a certain parade after refurbishing, especially the 163 – the number of the third locomotive I cannot decipher.
Anyway, I took them apart so if you like for a close look as well I can send them to your own e-mail address.

I still cannot believe that during the recent past years 3 more steam locomotives came alive.

Sorry for bothering you with these minor details but I want to have the list complete at least for the time being. It would be nice if there was a museum and all the stock brought together at one place. _______________
Robert von Hirschhorn


That 185 posted by Khun Sakda has come from "Tiger Steam" CD Rom

That Ten-Wheeler Number 185 was one of 5 Steam Loco Donated to
the Republic of Cambodia in 1973. That's why it looked so NEW ...
Ten Wheeler Number 163 may be another loco that end up into
Cambodian Railway in 1973.

[von Hirschhorn]

OK, complete forgotten that refurbished locomotives were sold / donated to Cambodia, so nothing for the nowadays list.
Thanks khun Wisarut for freshing up my memory.
Still I call for information regarding preserved steam engines, better hear twice than not at all. :)

[von Hirschhorn]

Khun Wisarut,

What about the 183, according the original (first) draft Khun Dave send me, it should stand in Sungai Kolok but that is the 175, the real 175 I presume.
In front of the ‘war museum’ near ‘the Bridge’ at Kanchanaburi also a 175 is plinthed, at least that number is inelegant rough painted on the side. The rest is rusty remains, an eye catcher but nothing outstanding with the Burma line itself. (both 175’s are North British)

[Wisarut]

Well, for the case of that Mae Nam Kwae, It is 719 (C56), 804 (P Class)
and (probably) 810 (P Class) - the Ten-Wheeler as E-Class.

Yeah,
E Class 175 +Steam Crane went down to Sugei Kolok :p
E Class 165 is Still at Makkasan Depot
E Class 161 is Still at Lopburi
E Class 171 is Still at Nakhon Sawan
E Class 177 is Still at Ban Phachi
E Class 180 is Still at Ubon
E Class 181 is Still at Phitsanuloke
E Class 182 is Still at Chachoengsao

C56 No.702 at Sai Yok Noy
C56 No.714 at Hua Lamphong
C56 No.728 at Lampang

SLM Consolidate 340 isstill at Chiang Mai
Hanomag Pacific 261 at Nakhon Ratchasima
Hanomag Pacific 274 at Sila At
Hanomag Pacific 278 at Makkasan Depot
Hanomag Pacific 277 at Thung Song

Baldwin Pacific 226 and Frich 556 at WahKow Science Museum
Baldwin Pacific 235 at Chumphon
Baldwin Pacific 244 +Soongnoen 32 at Hatyai
SoongNoen 33 at Thai Railway Hall of Fame
Baldwin Mikado 305 at Hua Hin
Mikado 943 at Railway Park
Mikado 962 at Ranong
Mikado 950 at Thonburi Shed
Garatte 457 at Kanchanaburi
Frich No.601 at Bangsue LocoShed (in very dilapidated Condition :( )

Henschel Shuner 54 at Makkasan Depot
Brush Engineer No. 63 at the park near Kabin Buri Station
Hunslet No.7 at Makkasan Depot
Davenport 524 at Makkasan Depot
Davenport 518and 537 are goining to bet in the Palace of the Big One.
Henschel DH 3018 at makkasan Depot
Hunslet Shuner No. 26at Makkasan Depot
Frich No.16 at Makkasan Depot

[Wisarut]

Hanomag Pacific 263 at Science Museum, Ekkamai, BKK
C56 No.738 at Science Museum, Ekkamai, BKK
Mae Klong Railway Loco No. 2 (0-4-2) + BTCWooden Bogie No.31 at
Science Museum, Ekkamai, BKK

Mae Klong Railway Loco No. 5 at Bangsue Loco Shed
BTCWooden Bogie No.31 at
Dilapidated Tram car at Science Museum, Ekkamai, BKK

[Wisarut]

Now, we know that E Class No.163 and No.185 have gone down to Cambodia...

Thachin No.3 + Hanomag pacific + YellowSteam loco from Sri Maharacha Wood Company at Siam Country Club, Pattaya

MaeKlong Henschel at the park in Sri Racha
No.11mae Klogn pacific at Jomtien Chalet, Pattaya

Hitachi DF669 : RailwayTraining Center near Mochit 2

Decomissioned Diesel Loco in 1999
Hitachi DF: 626, 670
DA1000: 577
Henschel:3003, 3006, 3008, 3009, 3010, 3012, 3014, 3017, 3018, 3020, 3021, 3023, 3026, 3027
Krupp: 3112, 3126

Decomissioned Steam in 2002: C56 No.702 and Mikado 950

Servicable Krupp

3103 PakNam Pho
3106 Thonburi -> Active
3108 Thonburi
3109 Thonburi
3118 Thonburi -> Active
3121 Thonburi ->Active
3123 Thonburi
3124 Thonburi

3104 Hat Yai
3105 Hat Yai
3107 Hat Yai
3110 Hat Yai
3111 Hat Yai
3113 Hat Yai
3115 Hat Yai
3117 Hat Yai
3119 Hat Yai
3129 Hat Yai

[Wisarut]

1) Baldwin Pacific No. 235
2) E Class Ten Wheeler No. 178
3) Soong Noen Loco No. 9

[von Hirschhorn]

While this is well visited thread – 585 views till now – we continue.
Thanks khun Wisarut for the effort, quite a lot. Some corrections and connections.

The 810 I never saw in Kanchanaburi, only one P Class (804) is plinthed at a new created old rolling stock park beside “River Kwae Bridge” station. The already mentioned faked 175, is only a few steps away.

Wah Kow Sience Museum, where is that located?

Baldwin 263 apparently is no longer at the (run down) Ekkamai Museum. In the station hall of Nakhon Pathom a nice poster on display with the machine in full armour plinthed somewhere in front of what seems to be an institute. I could not find out where. (probably near Prachub Khirikhan)

Furthermore if you go to the www.rotfaithai site under gallery and steam locos, two pictures. No: SL 00014 - any idea about the number and plinthed where?
No: SL 00041 – this seems to be ex MRC 12 (Henschel) and once in front of a row old goods wagons used as bungalow at Jomtien beach in Pattaya. (see picture under Thai Railways – Fate of the ex Maeklong railroad stock) Where is the new location of this engine?

I certain do not want to give any one a lot of homework, that’s why I pleaded for a Thai Rail Museum (see the thread) with all the exhibits in one place plus a nice catalogue. However, bit by bit the wanted list seems to reach an end, no more flavours available, on to the next delight. :)

[Wisarut]

Wah Kow Science Museum -> at Wah Kow Beach, Prachaub Khirikhan -> tyhe same place you can see

For the case of Hanomag 263, it is still at Ekkamai Science mseum while
Baldwin 226 is headign to wah Kor Science Museum as I have menteioned before.

For the case fo Wakhoe Marine Science Park (the official name of
Wah Kow Scince Museum), the map is here:

http://www.rtaf.mi.th/rtaf-travel/3/small/map90.gif
http://www.rtaf.mi.th/rtaf-travel/manao-near1.htm

For SL 00014, that's Mikado 962 plinted at Kraburi, Ranong
For SL 00041, it is Maeklong Pacific Loco No.12 at Jomtien Chalet, Pattaya -> Therefore, Maeklong pacific Loco No.11 is ACTUALLY at Home Phu Toei Resort, Kanchanaburi

That fake 175 loco is ACTUALLY P Class 810 ... disguised into
E Class 175 due to sloppiness of SRT workers who restore the engine.

The upcoming plan for the development of Makkasan Center to support
Suvannabhum Airport Link should be a BIG Jump start for Thai Railway Museum ... after being frozen since 1970's.

[GWR]

Concerning the Mikado 162 plinthed at Kraburi that Khun Wisaruth just mentioned:
Could it be the one we were trying to identify in another thread?:-
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showpost.php?p=4170&postcount=12

The photo below isn't very clear and I wouldn't know a 'Mikado' from my ......, but I like to track these historic things down. And might want to visit the area next time I'm on Route 4. The landscape also looks genuine; indeed that hill in the background could be 'Khao Fachi' or one of the other numerous small hills in the Kraburi area:-
http://www.dusit.com/media/images/attr00096_detail_small2_attr_img_name.jpg
http://www.dusit.com/destination_guide/south/dest08/attraction_activity/attr00096/print/

The Ban Fachi Line Terminus was just in the present La-Un District, but that amphur occupies only a few kilometers on Route 4 between Amphur Muang and Amphur Kraburi. Is the Mikado plinthed near the District Hall of Kraburi or at Ban Fachi itself? Would this have been a (regauged?) loco that ran on this (standard gauge?) route? Or is it just a local example of a loco which has been plinthed for the public interest without any actual local connection?

It's interesting that SRT would consider plinthing a loco along a line that was open for such a short time; especially under the duress of an (arguably)occupying force! That said, Kanchanaburi still revels in its wartime experiences; and rightly so! Many vets seem to support a celebration which reminds us of the past & its mishaps.Years ago I often used to frequent a railwayman's club that had several Death Railway survivors amongst its members.

[ncr]

The photo below isn't very clear and I wouldn't know a 'Mikado' from my ......, but I like to track these historic things down.Well, it is the nickname for a certain wheel arrangement: 2-8-2, according to the Whyte Notation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whyte_notation) (or 1D1 in the UIC notation), meaning the loco has 1 leading axis, 4 coupled (driving) axes and 1 trailing axis. The Japanese C56, on the other hand, are of the Mogul type (2-6-0, or 1C). Examples for other common types would be Atlantic (4-4-2, or 2B1), Pacific (4-6-2, or 2C1), Ten-Wheeler (4-6-0, or 2C).........

Almost impossible to judge from that tiny photo, but it might be a Mikado ......

Another question though: what the heck are E-class and P-class locomotives? Never heard about that and could find no description on the Internet.

[von Hirschhorn]

OK guys,

Alright khun Wisarut, de poster in the Nakhon Pathom station I mentioned before, the building look similar to the one on the link you gave, so case cleared. The Baldwin 226, sorry I mixed up the numbers, 263 wood have been a strange appearance anyway, as far as I can remember, the boiler is open on one side to permit a look at the intestines.
Hope you are 100% sure about the disguised 175, I must give it* a closer look to see how the metamorphose took place. (* her, isn’t a steam engine female after all and mostly man who adore?) It sounds nice and rather funny to be true.
Ex MRC 12 stands thus no longer in front of row goods wagons as chalets (what’s in a name) but still in Pattaya – Jomtien I presume? Nr.11 / 12 were the last two steam engines delivered to Thailand. (Henchel 22403 / 22404 – 1952) Both engines can be seen here on different locations: http://www.bangkok.com/2bangkok/srt/maeklong.shtml

Khun GWR, I think that’s the one. Mikado 962. There is a bigger and clearer picture on the rotfaithai website. (gallery – steam engines SL 00014)
Would be nice if you go there, an eyewitness is the best proof all.
Also in my club (Dutch NVBS) are, or better spoken were, several Death Railway survivors. Unfortunately they are a rapid dying species. In the autumn I start a new slide show: “Along the Burma line and other forgotten tracks.” (translation of the Dutch title)
Main focus not the war but today’s situation although a part of history should be. The pain lingers on, there are things one should not forget.

[Wisarut]

The Loco at Khao Fah chee, La Un district of Ranong is Mikado 962 though

Hanomag at Siam Country Club is Hanomag 279


Well, Prince Purajat has tried to introduce the alphabetic class system ... but after the Ten Wheeler (4-6-0) got Class E, the system classification Discontinue.

P - Class ... the Malay Loco classification system. You better take a look at website of KTM steam loco though

[GWR]

The Death Railway Vets, I met, were split 50:50 on the reconciliation issue. Some of them went out of their way to meet their old guards and reconcile. Others wouldn't under any circumstances. I think we should continue to have respect for both positions. It was a privilege to meet them all.

[GWR]

I'll try to get some pictures & evidence there one day.
The Loco at Khao Fah chee, La Un district of Ranong is Mikado 962 though

Hanomag at Siam Country Club is Hanomag 279


Well, Prince Purajat has tried to introduce the alphabetic class system ... but after the Ten Wheeler (4-6-0) got Class E, the system classification Discontinue.

P - Class ... the Malay Loco classification system. You better take a look at website of KTM steam loco though

[von Hirschhorn]

Khun Wisarut wrote:
That fake 175 loco is actually P class 810 disguised into E class 175 (wrong chosen number because there is another 175 at Sungai Golok which I presume is the real one) due to sloppiness of SRT workers who restore the engine.

Well: I have a closer look but still can and will not believe this is a former P class.
For whom who like to compare themselves, I made a sheet with a picture and beneath two drawings; one from the E class and one from the P class series.*
Two many things are changed in what is called a restoration. For example the wheel arrangement, transformed from a 4-6-2 to a 4-6-0, from an eight wheel tender to a six one, the drivers cab is an E class one, even the shape of the boiler doesn’t resemble the P class one.
This I want call sloppiness but if it’s right - before I am convinced I want to see more proof - falsification and manipulation of history. To check this for once and always is - with asked permission of course - to climb into the cabin and look for any factory number. Unfortunately my first opportunity to do so will be at the end of October.

*While I have no clue how to get the picture and drawings in the thread and without own website, give me an e-mail address and I’ll send it. (see post number 45 there is another solution)

[von Hirschhorn]

Furthermore I have other plinthed engines on the list but never seen there or elsewhere nor any picture. Can anyone confirm before I send them (back) to the realm of dreams.

Colombia 129 - Lampang
E class 173 – Den Chai
E class 197 – Udon Thani
E class 196 – Khon Kaen
Pacific 242 – Pak Chong
E class 158 - Arranyaprathet

[Wisarut]

E Class 158 at Aranyaprathet ... It might be their but I have NOT found that E Class during the recent visiting of Aranyaprathet :(

[Wisarut]

BTW, RSR E-Class and FMSR P Class locos are the same ten whellere (4-6-0) though :p

[von Hirschhorn]

Khun Wisarut.
I am deeply sorry but they are definitely not the same. The E-class 4-6-0 + 6 wheel tender and P-class (ex FSMR) 4-6-2 + 8 wheel tender. If you do not want to believe this give me an email address and I sent you the picture and two drawings in order to check for your self.
I am not mistaking unless the up till now known literature makes a mistake or mishap in the first place, something hardly to believe.

[Wisarut]

Khun von Hirschhorn,

Thanks for your correction :rolleyes: :p ;) :o ... Ijust have been to Khiun Tim Light KTM Loco Homepage at http://www.timlight.uni.cc/ClassP.html to check mroe info about P Class (Now, SRT No.801-818).

Too bad, SRT decide to RETIRE and SCRAP all McArther Loco (2-8-2) instead of preserving (except the 5 McArther Locos that went to Cambodia in 1970). :(

[Wisarut]

Now Thai Railfan hasconfirmed that E Class No 183 isat Khok Pho and E Class No 175 (the realone) is at Sugei Golok alogn with SteamCrane No 21 (Thomas and Sons)...while E Class No 180 is still at Ubon. :p :D

[von Hirschhorn]

Back to post number 38 and my doubt if the fake 175 at the entrance of the War Museum near ‘the Bridge’ at Tha Makham (Kanchanaburi) is really a the ex P-class 810 disguised as E-class. (according khun Wisarut’s reply)
Compare and make your own conclusions but foremost tell me what the real running number of this machine is in case you agree this cannot be a former P-class. With thanks to khun NCR for the advice, you can see the in post 38 mentioned pictures here:
The 175 itself: http://tinypic.com/54ww3n
Drawing of the E-class: http://tinypic.com/54ww1e
Drawing of the P-class: http://tinypic.com/54wzk5

[Wisarut]

The Real E Class No.175 at Sugei Golok
http://www.rotfaithai.com/files/resize_of_resize_of_resize_of_cimg0957.jpg

The Fake E Class No. 175 at Kanchanaburi - better checking the Number of Loco as the indicator for teh actual number ....

http://www.rotfaithai.com/files/fake1751.jpg

[von Hirschhorn]

Since nobody seems able to unravel the mystery of the fake 175, it will be a mystery for the time being. As said before, a way to find out the real number is the factory number. Normally this is on a nice copper / bronze plate mounted on the outside. However, railway souvenir hunters were first, this is a bold machine, a rusty reminder of her better days. With a little luck somewhere, particularly on the boiler, a sign might to be found. Ordinary fieldwork I am always willing to do, exempt Holland is quite a distance from Kanchanaburi. October will be my first opportunity.
These are the minor details of railway history but not as unimportant as it seems to be. Since the framework is known, its time for filling in the gaps. (and yes, I have questions about steam cranes, preserved or forgotten in a dark corner of an empty shed)

The quest goes on in the thread: Preserved other memorable equipment!

[von Hirschhorn]

The flight of an old crane

The preservation of steam locomotives is one thing but others also willing or wait.
The mighty crane, steam powered and some still in use in the early nineties. Heavy (work) horses, a straightforward piece of visible mechanic, a joy for an old fashion minded eye to see, especially in working order. (and ear to hear)
Unfortunately there’s hardly anything to find about them in the literature. The following machines I am aware off and were build by Thomas Smith & Sons from Liverpool in the UK.
CR 21 – now at Sungai Kolok. (rest of the status unknown e.g. works number / year of building / plinthed or other use)
CR 23 – according an old notebook, at Chumphon (date of sighting: 06.05.1991)
Works number: 11206
CR 24 – last stationed at Pak Nampho / now plinthed there. Works number: 11207
CR 25 – last stationed at Nakhon Lampang / now plinthed there. Works number: 11208
If you look at the running and works numbers it’s presumable CR 21 must have been nr. 11204. There is a particular fact, with these cranes came a separate 2 axle flatcar to support the lowered crane arm for hauling along the track. While working the crane is self propelled. These cars have works numbers too. For the CR 23 this is: 11209. (all the others unknown, apparently I did not make notices enough in the earlier days of spotting old stock)
There are / were more cranes. In 1987 at Thung Song I saw nr.33 working but no clue about today’s situation and the certificates. This doesn’t mean that all the steam cranes are gone, even in 2001 the staff of the Thonburi shed was playing with fire and make steam on crane C 26195 – Hitachi 1955.
Two more other cranes - no steam just mechanical - mounted on a short 2 axle flatcar and ripe for a (the) museum. Both manufactured by Ransomes & Rapier in 1912.
B.0.3 at the Bang Sue yard and SSR.BG.1 at Chumphon, at least that’s where they were for years. In the meantime it is possible they have been sacrificed to the melting-furnace. Makkasan possess one in order to make brake-shoes.
However, after a live of lifting they are worth to be preserved and lifted to another form of live although – for the time being - on a list only.
What I am looking and ask for is additional information or new items and that includes historic diesel engines as well. Between Chiang Mai and Sungai Kolok there’s a lot of rail, I like to hear a tale of unexpected sightings.

[von Hirschhorn]

Khun Wisarut,

In the thread: list of preserved steam engines you mentioned also some diesel locos.
Therein you stated: Frich No.16 at Makkasan depot.
There never was any 16, I presume you mend the 551 – 56 series 2-Do-2 de built by A/S Frichs from Danmark. Which number is slowly rusting away at the outer end of the Makkasan locomotive grave yard?
Where is Frichs 601 plinthed, a 2-Do + Do -2 de engine, once falling apart on the Bang Sue yard but I saw pictures of transportation and cosmetic restoration.
Furthermore: Davenport 518 + 537 are going to be in the Palace of the Big One.Where situated and what is this palace? :confused:

[Wisarut]

Frich No.16 at Makkasan depot. -> My Mistake, it must be Frich articulated Diesel Railcar Number 15 whcih was decommissioned in 1965. Still use ABC Couple

For Frich No. 601 at Bangsue Loco Shed, it is at very sorry state of maintianance -> rusted away.

Bo-Bo Sulzer No. 563 is also at Makkasan :)

For the teak body Paknam Tram, the wooden body is in very poor state

For the case of 2 Davenport Locos -> they are haading to be at
Sukhothai palace after 1 Balwin Loco (at excellet state of maintianance)
has already been at that palace.

Steam Crane No. 22 (Thomas Smith & Sons Co. Ltd.) s still at Makkasan though

Ther are a lot more at Makkasan though such as Passenger Bogie by Choedchai Diesel Railcar Co.Ltd. and otehr decomissioned Daewoo and Spritner Diesel railcar

[von Hirschhorn]

Can you give some more information about the Sukhothai palace, what's the purpose to have locomotives and which number Baldwin already is there. ;)

[Wisarut]

The Sukhthai Palace originally belonged to Prince Prajadhipok (the future King Prajadhipok) and Princess Rambhaibannee (the future Queen Rambahibannee) constructed in 1918.

After the abdication of King Prajadhipok in 1935, the government had applied ABRITRARY power to confisticate Sukhothai Palace alogn with King Prajadhipok's bank account in Hongkong Shanghai Bank and otehr properties in 1938. However, the new government decided to returned the palacealogn with King Prajadhipok's proiperties to the widowed Queen Rambahibannee in 1948. QueenRambhaibannee stayedat that palace until her last day of life on May 22, 1984.

The Big One has dicided to move his palace from Nonthaburi to Sukhaothai Palace around 2002 due to some circumstances I decided to keep my mouth SHUT for my own safety. :D

[Wisarut]

BTW, SLM No. 21 was plinted in front of SRT HQ alogn with the Paknam Loco No. 1.

[von Hirschhorn]

OK Thai politics goes beyond the scope of this thread and since I am not familiar at all with Thai Royal affairs, just for the record and maybe a stupid question, the Sukhothai palace is situated in Bangkok?
The other question remains since when the big one is a real fan and collects railway stock in or around a palace.

[Wisarut]

Yes, Sukhothai palace is in between Vajira Hospital and Samsen canal. :D

Now Sukhothai Palace hasbene barricaded so you can easily to spot with royal nangram on the wall ...

Not so sure ... but I think it may when he has been flying F5Eas a daily routine. :p

[von Hirschhorn]

After the Royal Railway back to the common people, whom who cannot afford to put an engine in their backyard. The preserved steam list is almost complete, a few minor details like the double 175 and what seems to be C56 738. (one in Ekkamai museum (falling apart) and one at Makkasan. This list is just born, the enfant years and almost no patience for waiting to obtain information. Here’s another shot.
I like to know more about the two [B] diesel shunting locos plinthed near Mae Mo (I suppose). Pictures can be found on www.rotfaithai nr: LC 00175 and LC 00174. (Numbers and names make a list worth to look at now and then and quite helpful for future historians. With every new generation the same questions shall be asked again)
Furthermore the transport of a Frichs loc, which one, where to? AT 00087 and one ‘Frichs’ in a shed: AT 00084 although this could be the shed of Jalan Pratan Cement factory North from Hua Hin. (I know exactly where but while writing cannot remember the town name)

[Wisarut]

For the case of LC 00174 LC00175, they are the locos form Tasmania Railway used for Mae Moh Lignite Mine - from Columbo Plan ....

That Frich 556 in AT 00086 AT 00087 is MOVED by the truck on
March 31, 1996 -> destined to Wah Koh Science Museum at the place
where King Mongkut had observed Solar Eclipse on August 18, 1868.

[Wisarut]

Henschel Suhnter No. 54 and E-Class No. 165 are still at Makkasan though

[Wisarut]

Steam Crane No. 11 and Steam Crane no. 24 (both fromThomas Smith &
Sons Co. Ltd.) are at Paknam Pho Station (along with the turntable)

BTW, AHK 4230 has to have become armoured loco since it is goign to be used in the deep south ...

[Wisarut]

Khun Bob,

I got the message from the Insider that Baldwin 228 and Consolidate 338 had been SOLD to Mr. Lim (millionair in Chiang Mai) on October 3, 1980

[Wisarut]

It seems to me that those Top brass within SRT are wiing to SCRAP the vintage loco and pockter from the sellout rather than preserving the locoaccordign to the late SRT General Manager (Col. Saeng Chulajarit) hasinitiated

I afraid that we need ROYAL intervention to prevent the loss of our heritage
by those THUGS within SRT Board. :mad: :(

[RobChina]

Thanks to all of you for your help in putting this list together.

I have posted this on my website which attracts steam enthusiasts form all over the world in numbers. I hope that some of them will be able to add further information.

There were a number of minor errors in the list which I have corrected.

Any information/feedback I get I will post here, but I shall be away from home shortly until the end of August.

http://www.steam.dial.pipex.com/trains/thaipreserved.htm

[GWR]

From RobChina's List:-
Songhkla 32 Switcher 0-4-0T 1949 Koyosan Kogyo (Japan) 6071 600 mm (14)
I'm not sure why you have it listed at Songkhla. It was near the steps of Hat-Yai Junction Concourse for many years. A few years ago it was lowloadered up to Prince of Songkhla University as an exhibit at the National Agricultural Fair. Now it is plinthed in a small public park not far from Chao Phraya Massage on Thammanoonwitheee Road, as evidenced by this picture from discussions of this loco earlier in this thread:-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rodfaithai/Steam%20Locomotive/1708SoongNern.jpg

To me, it looks like the tender is not the original, but a rather crude mock up.

[von Hirschhorn]

GWR,

Sorry, my mistake, I deliver the list in the first place and thanks to the word Songkhla I thought it stood there now. :confused:
Songkhla University thus is situated in Hat Yai and the park also I presume. I’ll change this immediately on my list and as Robchina read this, on his.You perfect right, the tender is bullshit - excuse le mot – they never had any tender.
Thanks for the info, with bits and pieces the list will be correct in the end.
By the way if you have anything on preserved diesel and other equipment I am eager to hear.
(also things that actualy should be preserved like old coaches / wagons and others, even I try to list all the lorries on plinth as far as I know plinthed where ;) )

[GWR]

Somewhere down in the South Eastern part of the Railway Quarter is a preserved maintainence trolley on a plinth. Do you want that checked out by any chance?

[GWR]

http://www.kyosankogyo.co.jp/image/rollingstock/rolling02.jpg

http://www.kyosankogyo.co.jp/html/albumr.html

This website suggests that KK still rattle off some of their original designs (looking somewhat like their sugarcane locos of yesteryear) for the pleasure principle.

Hat-Yai produces little more sugar cane than is needed for 'Nam Oy' these days. Where was this sugar plantation? Was there a refinery too? Khun Dick is looking for sugarmill locations elsewhere in this subforum.

With a little evidence, I might be able to go out and dig up some antiquities. Makes you wonder whether this loco was actually used locally for sugarcane; especially since its plinth placard seems to exhibit it as symbolic of the arrival of 'Rot Fai Thai' in town.

[von Hirschhorn]

I always like to check things by myself although I trust strange eyes for what they see or have seen. Being in Hat Yai, I think, shall not happen for a while. What kind of trolley we talk about: hand powered or motor (draisine).

[GWR]

The hand-cranked variety.

[GWR]

Frequently one of the best things in the Pattaya Times; apart from the latest Condo Suicide. Down The Iron Road: Another Thai Locomotive Puzzle - John D. Blyth:-

http://www.pattayamail.com/407/columns.htm#hd39

[von Hirschhorn]

GWR,

Nice article, thanks for browsing the internet and come up with things like this. One question: how old is this publication?
Unfortunate John Blyth passed away some time ago, consider him as one of the pioneers who did a lot of good work in researching. Steam engines were his favorite. Thanks to him (and a few others) we know (a bit) more about the Sri Maharacha Timber Co and here railway.
To bad the file about the mystery loco seems to be missing. Sometimes riddles solves themselves in the course of time. :rolleyes:

[GWR]

18th May, 2001 published

[admin]

A reader asks: In February 2006 I will be in Thailand searching out preserved locomotives.

I have seen Rob Dickinsons excellent list and this more or less agrees with
my information.

If you have any other infoirmation I would be pleased to have it and then I
can check up on items next year.

I intend to travel over all main SRT lines and hopefully there will be time
enough at some stations to see the locomotives.

Is there any more news on the locomotive in the river?

[von Hirschhorn]

Just for the record and credit; Rob Dickinson's exellent steam list originaly is made by me, I gave him permission to use it for his website. Any new information - for both lists - is most welcome no matter how small or detailed. Work is in progress on a non steam list, e.g. diesel and other equipment. (plinthed or kept otherwise, even still running, but only stock with a historical meaning)
The discovery of the sunken engine is extra ordinary. I can't wait to see "her" (it) rise to the surface again and fresh painted plinth near the bridge although wet paint would be more suitable for the case.
A fine example of (rail) history one should not forget nor neglect, something Thailand unfortunate is doing in many ways. And although some plinthed engines falling slowely apart, it is (still) not to late to show a more stronger interest for the past.

[Wisarut]

I know that Batignolle Mikodo Loco No. 326 is Now kept in the Private estate of Maj. Gen. Sana Khajornprrasart ... who is now struygglign to keep his Reign uin Phichit agaisty the Threat from TRT :D

[von Hirschhorn]

... Since nobody seems able to unravel the mystery of the fake 175, it will be a mystery for the time being. As said before, a way to find out the real number is the factory number. Ordinary fieldwork I am always willing to do, exempt Holland is quite a distance from Kanchanaburi. October will be my first opportunity ...

Kanchanaburi Tuesday November 1st
If everything in live was as simple as solve this question, we would be lucky men, and lucky I am after the fieldwork today although it's not the street next door. However!
First of all I ask a young man - entrance ticket seller - in the war musem booth, he looked a little bit surprised and obvisouly helpless with the question. Anyway, I explain him that someone painted a false number on the side and that the real 175 was situated at Sungei Golok. " Yes, far away" could be his thoughts and who knows what else. Be my quest in railway land; but that was far beyond the boys live and living. However, he permitted me to climb the loco and look for my self. No signs what so ever exept a boiler number at least the year of production unfortunate nothing new. By hanging out the blind site of the cab window there it was, the real number in originaly paint. 171 for the record. The only question remain: why they(?) painted a 5 instead of a 1. T.I.T the abbrivation well known :D

[Wisarut]

Khun von Hirschhorn,

I have foudn Batignolle Mikado No. 326 at maj. Gen. Sana Khajornprasart's private estate in Phichit too bad ... I canno longer find that photo :(

[GWR]

Khun Wisaruth quoted by Admin on the Frontpage:-

New Thai sugar mills - November 4, 2005
Wisarut provides the following about sugar mills and locomotives in Thailand: For the case of Kyosan locomotives that ended up at sugar plantation, I think it should become a locomotive to transport tin ore in Phang-Nga or Phuket .....
The first industrialized sugar mill in Thailand was founded at Lampang in 1937 and the second industrialized sugar mill in Thailand was founded at Uttaradit in 1942. Both were state enterprise mills.
In 1942, the Government at that time founded Thai Industry Promotion Co. Ltd. as a state enterprise. The company purchased both Bang Buathong Railways (Bang Yeekhan - Nonthaburi and Bang Yai - Lad Lum Kaeo) and Tharuea Railways Co. Ltd. (Tha Rua - Phraphutthabat) on July 29, 1942 (requested on July 16, 1942) since the owners of both companies said the were no longer be able to carry the burden from the operational loss. Therefore, 60-cm gauge locomotives from both companies ended up at sugar mills!
Even though there are sugar mills around Thailand, most of them are in Kanchanaburi, Lampang, Kalasin, Chonburi, or Ratchaburi. It's unlikely that there would be any sugar mill in Songkla--even though there is a possible sugar plantation in Phatthalung... Nevertheless, I believe that some part of the sugar plantation belonged to the Faculty of Agro-Industry, Prince of Songkla University.

And here a link to a 2BKK archive that has details about a loco purchased for a Cane Plantation in Hat-Yai, Songkhla (or perhaps Phattalung?) that folded-up before the loco was delivered. The loco was then mothballed at Hat-Yai for 50 years before the 'Thai Railway Hall of Fame' got hold of it. I imagine it is thus a 'sister' to the loco plinthed in a Hat-Yai khlongside park (previously outside the station). But as always, I may have got it wrong. Please enlighten if possible?!:-

http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/trhf/index.shtml

[von Hirschhorn]

The loco was then mothballed at Hat-Yai for 50 years before the 'Thai Railway Hall of Fame' got hold of it. I imagine it is thus a 'sister' to the loco plinthed in a Hat-Yai khlongside park (previously outside the station). But as always, I may have got it wrong. Please enlighten if possible?!:-

Both are incorrect. First of all the Chatuchak locomotive was found in Bangkok in a barn bound to demolishing and thus handed to Khun Sanpsiri for his hall of railway fame. Second it's not a sister of the other serie 600 mm locomotives made by the same company and in use on the fire wood line west from Korat. They all survived: 31 for long in Chiang Mai now as a heep of scrap on a flatcar outside Makkasan workshop. 32 in Hat Yai and 33 in the park museum.

[von Hirschhorn]

Apparently plinthed locomotive live could not as easy as stated in the Kanchanaburi 175 quest, although I found the number 171 painted on the blind cab side still this does not be sufficient enough. Real proof obviously is hard to get.
Khun Brian from the Locomotive Club of Britain mailed that after examination the locomotive he is convinced this engine must be the 175.

… Here in the UK we generally identify by checking parts of the locomotion,connecting rod, and other parts for stampings. All locomotives are normally stamped with the numbers of either the manufacturer and / or the actual running number. Thus histories of locos can be seen. For example the RhB loco at Makkasan is still stamped with its RhB number! …

(336 but according examination by Brian only displayed with that number, it should be 340 and the Chiang Mai 340 must be 336. How coincidental moreover these are the last two examples in SRT use (non use). However, one question remain: why even the front lamp number behind glass should be only a given display number and not the real one. To me this looks rather originally and on the other hand why the SRT should all the trouble take into account?)

Hence after on his list of Thai preserved steam engines about 12 engines that are displayed with a different number.
‘Werk aan de winkel’ a Dutch proverb in the sense of much to do.
First of all I like to have a confirmation of the following plinthed locomotives because I never spotted them or been there after installment:

Aranya Phrathet 156
Khon Kaen 196(?)
Udon Thani 197
Nong Pladuk 239(?)
Thung Song 277
Kok Pho 183

Furthermore two 750 mm engines - 0-4-2T - number 3 and 4 belonged to the Ko Kha sugar mill and apparently at a technical school in Chiang Mai and Tak. :confused:

[von Hirschhorn]

Although this message was posted first under the list of preserve steam engines, for the sake of a better outcome again as a new thread.

Apparently plinthed locomotive live could not as easy as stated in the Kanchanaburi 175 quest, although I found the number 171 painted on the blind cab side still this does not be sufficient enough. Real proof obviously is hard to get.
Khun Brian from the Locomotive Club of Britain mailed that after examination the locomotive he is convinced this engine must be the 175.

… Here in the UK we generally identify by checking parts of the locomotion,connecting rod, and other parts for stampings. All locomotives are normally stamped with the numbers of either the manufacturer and / or the actual running number. Thus histories of locos can be seen. For example the RhB loco at Makkasan is still stamped with its RhB number! …

The running number of the latter is 336 but according examination by Brian only displayed with that number, it should be 340 and the Chiang Mai 340 must be 336. How coincidental moreover these are the last two examples in SRT use (non use). However, one question remain: why even the front lamp number behind glass should be a random number and not the real one. To me the whole (lamp and number behind glass) looks rather originally and on the other hand why the SRT should all the trouble take into account? Numbers on wheels and rods, sure, but they are changeable. The more you dig, the more numbers will occur and the less answer there is. The ultimate proof of original is hard to get.

Hence after on his (Brian) list of Thai preserved steam engines about 12 engines displayed with a number other than the original running one. ‘Werk aan de winkel’ a Dutch proverb in the sense of much to do.
First of all I like to have a confirmation of the following plinthed locomotives because I never spotted them or been there after installment:

Aranya Phrathet 156
Khon Kaen 196(?)
Udon Thani 197
Nong Pladuk 239(?)
Thung Song 277
Kok Pho 183

Furthermore two 750 mm engines - 0-4-2T - number 3 and 4 once belonged to the Ko Kha sugar mill and apparently at a technical school in Chiang Mai and Tak respectively.

All in all it is a matter of detail in reconstructing the live of a locomotive after retirement. Maybe less interesting because the poetry of steam locomotives is not a figure but the sound it makes, unfortunate a waning experience.

__________________

[von Hirschhorn]

1) Aranya Phrathet 156
2) Khon Kaen 196(?)
3) Udon Thani 197
4) Nong Pladuk 239(?)
5) Thung Song 277
6) Kok Pho 183

Obviously we have a lot of readers but nonetheless nobody seems to have an answer on this quest. It would be very nice if someone can confirm (only confirm first, the confusion about numbers later) if the above mentioned steam engines really are on plinth.

[Wisarut]

Ther is one Plinted Loco which have SERIOUS TROUBLE for Identification

1) E Class at Nakhon Sawan - This loco has shared the same set of spare parts with other E-Class

This one is No. 171 with Production number at the Right Tube as No. 21759 (E-Class No. 177) while the production number in the left tube is No. 21815 (E-Class Number 193)!


2) E-Class at Lopburi is vey hard to identify since the production number plate was painted :p ;)

[von Hirschhorn]

Khun Wisarut,
Here we are; exact what I stated before: locomotive parts are exchangeable and so their true identity. Maybe we should stick to the number we see despite there are plinthed engine with the same number. e.g. 175 Kanburi / Sungei Golok although the Kanburi engine bears also the number 171 :o
I am not at home yet, so I cannot have a look at the list made by the British Locomotive Club, I´ll give you their clues later.

[GWR]

Found this picture on http://www.discoverythailand.com/thaiburmarailway_p3.asp
of a plinthed loco at Sai-Yok:-

http://www.discoverythailand.com/image.asp?img=Images/thai_burma_railway/image029.jpg&w=180&h=180

Robchina's list:-


Tha Sao (Nam Tok) 702 Mogul 2-6-0 1935 Mitsubishi (Japan) 156 ex-JNR C56.4
installed on 12th May 1995

Say Yok (Home Phu Thoey) 11 Pacific 4-6-2 1952 Henschel (Germany) 22403 ex MRC



Do they mean Nam Tok? Ramaer's 'Running Numbers' seems to confirm this is the 1935 Mitsubishi Mogul, while noting other locos of this type were also produced by Nippon Sharyo, KSK, Hitachi and Kawasaki for JNR from 1935-36.

[von Hirschhorn]

... Do they mean Nam Tok? Ramaer's 'Running Numbers' seems to confirm this is the 1935 Mitsubishi Mogul, while other locos of this type were also produced by Nippon Sharyo, KSK, Hitachi and Kawasaki for JNR from 1935-36 ...

[ Tha Sao - station name: Nam Tok-Sai Yok Noi ]

Correct but unfortunate nothing new, this engine standing on his own spur unconnected with the end of the line, is free of any question. However, the question about a few others remain in full lenght. As stated before I think we should call the loco´s by the number as given - wrong or right - and meanwhile digging for other clues. It´s not only peace in mind but also for the list.
Footnotes will do the rest.

[GWR]

Spotted this list while doing research on another matter. Whereas it is not directly related to this thread, I suspect it might interest many posters hereabouts; and might even indicate some Thai locos marooned in Burma by the destruction of the Death Railway. I note that Ramaer detailed on Burma Railways loco marooned in Thailand; although it didn't survive long:-

http://www.irfca.org/docs/locolists/index.html

[Wisarut]

Note,Loco No. 180 in Ubon got the License Number of 19962 which probably for Loco No. 156 ;) :p :D

[Wisarut]

Loco No. 182 at Chachongsao Junction has production Number of No. 21809 whcih correspondent to E Class No. 176

Furthermore, I have seen SLM Consolidate Loco No. 336 at Makksan :eek: .... in addition to Hanomag pacific 278, Henschel No. 54, and C56 No. 733 ...

[rosmci]

Please can anyone tell me anything about the engine on the traffic island in front of Nakhon Sawan station, or why it's been preserved? 3 photos of it uploaded to http://au.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rosmci2/album?.dir=/e672scd
Thanks for any help.

[Wisarut]

That's E-Class No. 171 ... It was plinted at nakhon Sawan as the reminder of the old tsteam traction ....

[von Hirschhorn]

Well, it's not only at Nakhon Sawan an engine is plinthed.
Throughout the country one can find such engines, some well preserved,
others dilipidated. Up North from Nakhon Sawan you can find one in Sila At, Phitsanuloke, Lampang and Chiang Mai for example. And plinthed steam cranes in Pak Nampho and Lampang.
Thailand a living railway museum, one have to travel a lot to see the collection. :D

[Royal Artilleryman]

Apparently all the tickets are sold for the King's birthday steam train on December 5th

I need to buy 3 tickets. Can any forum member help? Willing ot pay a premium

regards

Stephen Frost
sftank@hotmail.com

[Wisarut]

Apparently all the tickets are sold for the King's birthday steam train on December 5th

I need to buy 3 tickets. Can any forum member help? Willing ot pay a premium

regards

Stephen Frost
sftank@hotmail.com

Khun Stephen,
To be honest, the tickets for Steam locomotive are always runnign out quickly ... and Japanese tourists generally made a reservation for 1 set of Bogie Third Class .... You should have made a reservation since 5 November 2007 to ensure that you'll get a ticket ...

In such a case, better take a ride of Rapid 135 and dropped down at Ayutthaya and wait for Steam to run ... or takign Udorn Express 75 and tried to take a photo when the express is catching up the steam.

[Royal Artilleryman]

Thank you Khun Wisarut

Do you think I can buy a standing only ticket on the train itself? I have lived in Thailand 15 years and would be sorry to miss this trip. Maybe could use the fast train there and get on the steam train for the return journey there are always empty seats on the way back

BTW please put me in touch with Thai Railfans Club I have been a railfan all my life

regards

Stephen

[Wisarut]

Thank you Khun Wisarut

Do you think I can buy a standing only ticket on the train itself? I have lived in Thailand 15 years and would be sorry to miss this trip. Maybe could use the fast train there and get on the steam train for the return journey there are always empty seats on the way back

BTW please put me in touch with Thai Railfans Club I have been a railfan all my life

regards

Stephen


Better wait until the evening of 3 December to see if ther are ANY tickets left ....

Now, I got the update that you and your friends can take a Steam Ride ... but ONLY at the retrun trip from Ayudhaya to Bangkok since they can find ONLY such tickets for you. Therefore, you better take a ride of Rapid 135/Express 75 to Ayudhaya first.

[GWR]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/frontpics/images/train-120808.jpg
[Photo: The Bangkok Post - On the occasion of the National Mother’s Day (August 12), the State Railway of Thailand offers free steam train rides for youths in Bangkok to take their mothers to tour Ayutthaya province. - APICHART JINAKUL]