Orange Line

[chateaulik]

Dear everybody,

I have a few questions about the orange route.

1) Why does the purple route get the priority in front of the orange route? Seem to me that the traffic congestion along the orange route is much worse than the purple one.

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3) Where exacly the Din Daeng station is? Is it at the Din Daeng T-intersection?

Thank you in advance for your answer(s).

[Wisarut]

1) Ther Northern section of Purple line is all elevated track - a lot easier to construct than using drill machines to dug the double tunnels for the case fo Orange line (Bang Kapi - Bang Bumru).

2) Those who live in western suburbs (Nonthaburi, Bang Buathong Bang Yai) have made the demands on that route.

3) This is the PUNISHMENT applied to Bangkokians who have voted fro Governor Aphirak who is the Democrat.

4) For the Orange route, the route will go from Bang Kapi (Wat Sri Bunruean) to pass Lum Salee, Huamark Stadium, Ramkhamhaeng U. and the turn right to Ramkhamhaeng 21 to go on MRTA Depot and then interchange with Blue Line at Thailand Cultural Center ... After that the line go through Dindaeng area, BMA2, Thai Chamber of Commerce U. and the turn left to go along Vibhavadee highway to Dindaeng road ... After that the line will go along the road to Victory Monumnet and then go alogn Rajavithee road to Sanghee Inversection (intersect with Samsen road and interchange with the future underground section of purple line. After that, the route will go across Chaophra via underwater tunnel to Bang Plat intersection to intersection the future Blue Ring line ... After that the lien will be elevated before ending up ang Bang Bumru Railway station.

Bang Bumru Railway Station is quite important statioon. It was initially a halt and then it was upgraded into the station which ALL Southern Train from Bangsue have to stop - including International Express to Butterworth and Southern Express to Sugei Kolok

5) Dindaeng station would be very closed to that Dindaeng Intersection but NOT exactly at that intersection. The most
likely choice is probably in fornt of Veterant Hospital.

[chateaulik]

Thanks khun Wisarut for your answer. :( Too bad I have to wait longer until I can use subway.

I have heard the next budget allocation will be on the extension blue line, right? Orange line will be the third as I have heard. Anyway, does the delay of Ladprao Elevated Way have any effect on this orange line? I am afraid they will modify the route to pass Ladprao Rd., is it possible? I hope not.

[Wisarut]

Nope, The modification of Ladphrao elevated way has NOTHING to do with the delay on the implementation of Orage line at all.
After all, the orange line must pass Ramkhamhaeng and Hua Mark stadium.

I just wonder where in the hell you get such kind of rumour on Ladphrao elevated way and Orange line. Tell that source of rumour that I may have to gouge the eyeballs and cut the tongues of thsoe who spread such kind of rumours.

However, Premier Thaksin just punish thsoe who live in Ramkhamhaeng area who vote for the Democrat and Ramkhamhaeng area has lots of Southerners (included thsoe form Pattani, Yala and Narathiwat) whoi are stunch supporters
of Democrat. Thefore, such kidn of punlishment is JUSTIFIED.



For the case of Blue line extension ... It wil be the SOuthern extension of Blue line subway whcih thrust into Rattanakosin Island (the heart of BKK) and then the Blue RIng (Bangsue -
Bang Pho - Charansanitwongse - Tha Phra) whcih transform
Blue line into Blue ring.

[Nong]

Dear all,

As per the info given by K.Wisarut, the orange line will go from Bangkapi through Ramkamhaeng rd. and turn at Soi Ram 21. I have looked closely at the map and there seem to be one station in Soi Ram 21 (Navasri) and another around Klong Ladphrao area after the line crosses the Sri Rat Expressway.

As a person who lives in this area myself, I am wondering where the 2 stations exactly are. To me, it seems quite strange that there are stations in a small Soi like Soi Ram 21. Is there a plan to enlarge this Soi in the future?

Thank you in advance for your answers!

[Wisarut]

Well, Ther will be a station at Ram Khamhaeng and then the station where Soi Nawasri (Ram khamhaeng 21) Intersect with Ram Indra At narong expressway and of course the station near Lad Phrao canal

[Wisarut]

My Comments [NO censorship PLEASE!]:

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For the case of Orange Line, It is a PURE DISCREMINATION AGAINST both Southerners and Muslim Bangkokians aroudn Ram Khamhaeng area, the staunch supporters of Democrat.

Same thing can be said to the proposed red line commuter which can be
described as follows:

1) the cancelled station at Lak Hok (Muang Ek village) because the one who run Rangsit U. is member of Democrat party.

2) the cancelled station at Wat Samian Naree because those who live in Prachaniwet 1 are the supporters of Democrat Party.

3) Rangsit terminal with very inconvenient connection with BMTA Buses is to Please the Harnsawat family who run both dilapidated buses and taxi around Rangsit area.

For the case of Purple Line, TRT has given a Kickback to those Tao Poon People to wreck havoc the Purple Line as the execute to Cancle the project .... so those who live in suburb would have to buy MORE cars from Khun Suriya's parners since TRT know too well that BRT Substitute is NOTHING but the glorified version of BMTA Aircon buses.

Same thing can be applied to the proposed Yellow LRT which has become
Yellow BRT along Lad Phrao Road/Sri Nakharin Road. No Amount of execute would convince those who live alogn Lad Phrao Road/Bang Kapi/Sri Nakharin that BRT is more const effective than LRT or MRT.

You Keep MRT Line in front of your Palace at Charansanitwongse Inner Ring for yourselves and Playing Shenanigan on the budget on Mass transit System to pass your Office ....

Premier Thaksin, NOBODY would BELIEVE what YOU are telling us even you say that you'll come up with MRT on those BRT Routes Later on.

[Wisarut]

Because of thsi post, My IP Address has been locked at MThai while my Post in the MassTransit World has been removed since this the first attack of PM Thaksin on Mass Transit System Meddling.

[The Enforcer!]

Guess you are a real fan of Premier Taksin then Khun Wisarut!

The Enforcer!

[Wisarut]

Even so, I still very feel very DISAPPOINTED that the government would come upwith Monorail and BRT as the alternative to OPrange Line ... whcihisderved to be fullfledge MRT -> Look at Ram Khamhaegn and HuaMark Stadium and you'll see ...

[Wisarut]

Yep, Totally IDIOT because the Leader and the vested interest aroudn the Leader want to copy American Style Transportation system ... esp the LA Example....

This make Bangkokians want to Migrate to KL .... or Singapore

[ooddy]

If Thailand really wants to copy LA, they better do it right.
They need to engage in planning, planning, and more planning.

LA is embracing and expanding its transit system systematically and cautiously. They are developing it step by step, and one line at a time. It may takes them twenty years to implement a new line, but the system is responsive to the public needs, and contined throughout the planning process.

And they really truly and honestly evaluate and scrutinize all available options...including feasibility, technology, environmental impacts, funding, etc.

I wish Thailand would follow similar rigorous process prior to deciding on building or not buidling any lines or options.

[The Enforcer!]

Even so, I still very feel very DISAPPOINTED that the government would come upwith Monorail and BRT as the alternative to OPrange Line ... whcihisderved to be fullfledge MRT -> Look at Ram Khamhaegn and HuaMark Stadium and you'll see ...
Understand that but London's biggest Mass Transit problem for decades was the lack of coordination and integration of the 627 'State railway' stations with the 275 'London Underground' railways.

To bring the SRT Bangkok network "into the fold" will greatly increase the opportunities to expand the whole network.

I would agree that BRT is an absolute TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY!

The Enforcer!

[ooddy]

BRT, LRT, and MRT system can coexist and complement each other. Each has a role to play to satisfy the needs of the public.

All it takes is the Government agencies having jurisdiction provide more time and efforts to evaluate each and every one of them prior to embarking onto committing the public fund to either one or system.

I doubt very much that there is any comprehensive evaluation, comparative analysis, pros and cons, of transportation systems and/or networks in Thailand. It seems a lof decision is based on limited knowledge and personal preference, and mostly---a seat of the pants basis.

[chateaulik]

http://www.manager.co.th/Business/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9480000125737

From this news today, ai pheng proposed the shortenning of orange route by combining a part of it with light pink route (from Taling Chan to new airport). I am a little confused about this modification since he said the new route will go from Bang Kapi to Khlong Tan to merge with light pink route and then another section will start from Yommarat to Bang Bamru. Can someone enlighten me the detail of this modification? I just pray this wouldn't happen as I live in Din Daeng area. :(

[Wisarut]

Ai Derachan Phen is goign to trun Orange line (Bang Kapi - Koong Tan) into feeder Monorail for Pink Airport Link ... He don't giove a DAMN to hte suffer for those who live in Dindaeng since he said "Blue line would do a perfect job for those who live in Dindaeng"

... That a BULLXXXX at the purest form Ai Derachan Phen has come up with :mad: I nearly SPIT and PISS on his face ... :D

[Wisarut]

Those who live in Ram Khamhaeng would prefer tp Gouge the eyeballs of Ai Pheng and Ai Kamroblux at the spot in front of the leader because their alternatives are the BULLXXXX at purest form :mad:

[chateaulik]

I am even more confused after reading this;

http://www.pantip.com/cafe/rajdumnern/topic/P3738675/P3738675.html

This source from Prachachart Turakitt said the only section left of the orange route is from Bang Kapi to Thailand Cultural Center (linked with blue line). The remnant will be built in phase 2 so that the orange route will be the same, just divided into 2 phases of construction. Which source I can trust? :confused:

[Wisarut]

While consultant said one thing, AI Pheng has his own hidden agenday to please the vested interst at the expense of publicwell being .... :D

[Nekochan]

Why do they think they khow best?

When they announced they would build the whole MRT once for all, it means all routes are to be feasible. (Why do they have detailed design when it is not worth any?)

It was a good excuse of .... Well! WE ARE BROKE! so, we change it to plan B!!

Plan B is also CRAP as I could never imagine they can think of this!!

I think OTP's Master Plan under Dr. Yongyut was the best I could remember. Engineers were proud of being professional, not service boys who accidently have ENG Licences.

Selling crappy MRT Master Plan is like selling crappy moblie phones.

PINK+YELLOW are not worth any.

BTS exts are best bet if they can continue construction.

[Wisarut]

Khun Nekochan,

Yeah, OTP is NOT just service boys who accidently have
ENG Licences, it's a PURE political Eunuch .... as far as I concern ...
Thery only know how to siphon the public money from repeated studies
as the way for the lower level professor to be elevated and becoem the high riank professors ... esp thsoe Chula Gangs .... who want to please theri cronies who run Automobile section .... :D

[ncr]

All that those bastards have created now is TOTAL CONFUSION and uncertainty (apart from an outrageous waste of time and taxpayers' money):

The Orange Line will not be built. Or maybe yes. No wait, it will be converted into a BRT. An LRT? A monorail! The alignment will be changed and it will act as a feeder to the Red Line at Khlong Tan and Yommarat. Or maybe not. Maybe we keep the old route. But we split it into two phases (to ''save money''..... hahahahaha), with one section from Bangkapi to TCC and the other from TCC to Bang Bamru. When is phase 1? When is phase 2?

Probably not in the poor local residents' lifetime.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[The Enforcer!]

When is phase 1? When is phase 2?
Phase 1 are the routes that pass through TRT parliamentary seats that they cannot afford to lose or want to win in the 2009 General Election - Phase 2 pass through seats they can afford to lose!

The Enforcer!

[ncr]

Khun Enforcer,

you possess clear analytical skills! ;)

[Wisarut]

Now, I know the reason why the Orange Line has ben temporaily SUSPENDED.

The Buidling on the land purchased by the Owner of The Leader's Palace near Thailand Cultural Center is the Main Reason ... Unless SHE get ahefty compesation alogn with the Undergroudn connection with her underconstructed building, Orange Line Cannot be Implemented! :( :mad: :D

[ooddy]

this is a big twist in the design process. After the government spent more than 400 million bahts and about one year of design effrots. Now those stuff will be discarded and thrown away...what a shame.

I don't think you want to believe the French on cutting cost, about 25%, on the U-design.

The only country that has the Systra system is in South America...I think it's Santiago de Chille. And it's only 5.6 Km...not 100 Km as claimed.

[ncr]

The Buidling on the land purchased by the Owner of The Leader's Palace near Thailand Cultural Center is the Main Reason ... Unless SHE get ahefty compesation alogn with the Undergroudn connection with her underconstructed building, Orange Line Cannot be Implemented! :( :mad: :D*Hysterical Laughter*

[Yappofloyd]

Good to see that the orange line has not been forgotton.

MRTA calls for new eastbound subway B100-billion new line could cut congestion, AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK, Bkk Post 22/08/08
The Mass Rapid Transit Authority (MRTA) is pushing for an eastbound subway worth 100 billion baht from its depot near the Thailand Cultural Centre in Huai Khwang district to the Bang Kapi district to relieve traffic congestion between the eastern suburb and the inner city.

''The Orange Line is another link that will help ease Bangkok's traffic significantly. The MRTA already designed the tunnel (at the depot) that will connect to the route so it is ready to kick off the project if it receives approval,'' MRTA governor Prapas Chongsa-nguan said yesterday. He will propose the project to the Transport Ministry in the near future.

According to an MRTA study last year, the whole Orange Line will stretch from Bang Kapi to Bang Bamru. The total link was estimated at 173 billion baht. The 12-km section from Bang Kapi to Huai Khwang is estimated at more than 100 billion baht.

Apart from the Orange Line, the state enterprise will also propose to the cabinet details of two Green Line extended routes from Mor Chit to Saphan Mai and from Soi Baring to Samut Prakan. The MRTA is ready to stage bidding contests to select contractors right away if it gets approval, Mr Prapas said.

The land expropriation costs to develop the extended routes will increase because the MRTA wants to expand platforms and stations to improve passengers' safety and convenience.Assigned by the cabinet to take over the line, the MRTA is adjusting the old Green Line designs worked out earlier by the Office of Transport and Traffic Policy and Planning in the Transport Ministry.

For the Blue Line extensions from Bang Sue to Tha Phra and from Hua Lamphong to Bang Khae, the MRTA is inviting representatives of the Japan Bank for International Cooperation to examine the project preparations. The MRTA expects the bank to approve a loan for the construction in the next few months.

Showing more concrete progress is the Purple Line from Bang Sue to Bang Yai. The MRTA is examining bids from contenders, Mr Prapas said. The line will be the first extension route completed out of nine planned for Bangkok.

[Wisarut]

At least, it serve thoe Ramkhamaeng students ... and many opliticinas got Diplomas for there ....

[Yappofloyd]

At least, it serve thoe Ramkhamaeng students ... and many opliticinas got Diplomas for there ....
You mean 'purchased' their diplomas there!

I understand that the MRTA is going for the easier section of the Orange Line when discussing building the section from Huai Khwang to the Bang Kapi first but really they include Victory Monument given how much of a key transport hub it is.

I suspect the SRT and maybe Cabinet will still defer this line being concerned that the Orange Line will undermine some of the potential pax numbers on the Airport (non-rapid) line.

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