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Found on the MCOT/TNA website:
Airlines in dispute over airport incident
BANGKOK, Apr 20 (TNA) – Thai Airways International Public Company Limited (THAI) and Singapore Airlines were at loggerheads today following an incident yesterday afternoon in which two planes clipped wings at Bangkok’s Don Muang Airport. There were no injuries in the incident, which occurred when Singapore Airlines' flight SQ68, which was taxiing to a gate, clipped wings with THAI's flight 602, as it travelled to the runway for takeoff.
Singapore Airlines today laid the blame for the incident firmly at the feet of the Thai airliner, a claimed refuted by Mr. Suraphol Isarangura Na Ayutthaya, THAI’s director for operations and emergencies, who accused Singapore Airlines of jumping to a conclusion. "When incidents of this kind occur, investigators need to look at information from three sides – from both parties in the incident and the air traffic control", he said. "The investigation should look at what faults occurred in the system so that we can prevent similar incidents in future. This is better than simply looking for a guilty party", he added. According to the THAI pilot, the Singapore airliner had been ordered to park at Gate 54 to allow the Thai plane to pass. It was, therefore, possible that both parties were at fault.
THAI has already established a committee to investigate the incident, and has pledged to pay compensation if found to be in the wrong. However, the airline also stressed that the incident was a minor one, noting that neither pilot was aware of what had happened at the time, and said that the press had blown it out of proportion. Although the wing tip had fallen off the plane, this would not have compromised passenger safety in any way should the plane have continued its flight.
The incident will be investigated by the Department of Aviation, whose Director-General, Mr. Chaisak Angkasuwan, said today that he would order both airlines to send in representatives to explain the case. Transport Minister Suriya Jungrungreangkit has ordered that both the Department of Aviation and THAI get to the bottom of the incident within two days, and has said that the incident should be used as a lesson to be more cautious in the future. (TNA)--E006
I suspect that the public would rather not have read the comment about a missing wingtip not compromising their safety in any way. Sounds like another case of ex-military PR to me.
Yep, another "minor incident", it seems (like the allegedly "derailed" subway train) ;)
"Don't worry, our planes can fly without their wingtips!"
airlana
26-10-05, 09:05 PM
Thai A340 suffered a 'heavy' landing at Melbourne today
Couple blown tyres, small undercarriage fire, and runway damage, resulting in the airport being closed for several hours. Fortunately no injuries - just a heap of 'scared to death' passengers.
Amateur video available here (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=64982) Click the video link below picture.
If you look closely, just before touchdown, a wind gust results in the aircraft being aligned way off the runway center line. Reminds me of the well publicised video of Korean B747 landing under similar conditions at Kai Tak some years ago
airlana
Aviation-safety.net's list (http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Country=HS) of all 77 recorded occurrences in Thailand.
The 10 worst (by number of fatalities):
26-MAY-1991 Boeing 767 OE-LAV Lauda Air 223
20 minutes after takeoff from Don Muang to Vienna, a thrust reverser deployed, causing the plane to stall and crash into the mountain ranges of Suphanburi/Kanchanaburi, killing all on board.
11-DEC-1998 Airbus A.310 HS-TIA Thai Airways 101
Domestic flight from BKK, on third approach to Surat Thani after two failed landing attempts in bad weather. 45 survivors.
31-AUG-1987 Boeing 737-200 HS-TBC Thai Airways 83
Slowed down too much, stalled and fell into the sea east of Phuket on a domestic flight from hat Yai. No survivors.
09-SEP-1988 Tupolev 134 VN-A102 Hâng Không Viêtnam 76
Descended below minimum altitude and struck the ground 6 km before reaching Don Muang on a flight from Hanoi. 14 survivors.
06-JAN-1969 Douglas DC-3 ? Continental Air Services 55
Rather mysterious; almost no information. Occurred somewhere in the Northeast.
25-DEC-1976 Boeing 707 SU-AXA EgyptAir 52 (+ 19 ground fatalities)
Crashed into a factory shortly before landing at Don Muang on a flight from Cairo. No survivors.
27-APR-1980 Hawker Siddeley HS-748 HS-THB Thai Airways 44
Domestic flight from Khon Kaen, got caught in downdraft from a thunderstorm 15 km northeast of Bangkok during approach.
9 survivors.
21-NOV-1990 De Havilland DHC-8 HS-SKI Bangkok Airways 38
Hit a mountain after failed landing on Ko Samui in heavy rain. No survivors.
06-MAY-1983 Fairchild C-123 L4K-12/18 Thai AF 31
Crashed after missed approach at Takhli AB (Nakhon Sawan).
03-SEP-1964 Douglas DC-3 L2-29/02? Thai AF 28
Hit a tree 2 km short of Ubon Ratchathani Airport. 5 survivors.
I'd really like to know where the three machines that crashed on approach to Bangkok Int'l hit the ground; especially what factory that was in case of the Egypt Air flight.
By the way, the worst accident involving a Thai airplane was not the one at Surat Thani, but this (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19920731-0) TG crash in Nepal:
31-JUL-1992 Airbus A.310 HS-TID Thai Airways 113
Flew into a mountain 40 km north of the airport due to a navigational error while approaching Kathmandu. No survivors.
Also found this: Thai Aviation Net (http://www.thai-aviation.net/), with all sorts of information on Thai airlines and their fleets etc.
airlana
04-12-05, 08:08 AM
Sadly Thailand is no exception when it comes to air accidents.
Another good reference is airdisaster.com (http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/)
Although this June 1972 accident didn't occur in Thailand the Cathay Pacific Convair CV880 had taken off from BKK enroute to HKG, when it crashed near Pleiku in Vietnam. Subsequent investigations found a bomb had been placed onboard and exploded midair. A Thai policeman had planted the bomb on the same aircraft as his wife and daughter in order to collect insurance.
Read the story here (http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/airlana/CX1972a.htm)from Chic Eather's excellent book "Syd's Pirates - the story of Cathay Pacific"
airlana
jpatokal
15-12-05, 12:26 PM
From The Nation (http://nationmultimedia.com/2005/12/12/headlines/index.php?news=headlines_19395705.html):
PM bumped onto regular THAI flight
Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra needed to take a commercial flight on the national flag carrier to the Asean summit in Malaysia yesterday after his official plane, Thai Kufah, was involved in a minor accident. Officials said the flight crew accidentally bumped a motorised staircase with the plane’s front door, causing its lock to malfunction. Fearing that the damaged door might jeopardise the plane’s safety, the crew recommended the flight’s cancellation.
Thaksin had been scheduled to take off from the military airport at 11.30am, but as a result of the accident his trip was delayed half an hour.
The prime minister flew to Kuala Lumpur on a Thai Airways International Airbus 300. A grim-faced Thaksin refused to speak to reporters as he boarded the commercial flight.
Having flown the ancient, cramped A300s in question a few times too many, I can feel his pain. :D They're usually used only for domestic flights, but make a few runs to SIN and KUL as well...
Well, he certainly didn't fly in Economy Class, though........ :p
Wisarut
15-12-05, 08:02 PM
Well, it is the curse from the Thunderbolt from the heaven thayt Caused Thai Khoo fah of PM to be out of order .... :rolleyes: :p ;) :D :)
.....not so sure about that :D , but it serves him well, if you ask me.
The Enforcer!
26-12-05, 09:43 PM
I pity Khun Taksin if he had to take THAI - their service level has dropped to be of the lowest in Asia - very sad for the operator that was my 'airline of choice' a mere five years ago.
I have just returned to UK on EVA Air and was amazed that in-flight entertainment, flight service and flight operations were so high!
The Enforcer!
Wisarut
27-12-05, 12:45 AM
Many Thailanders have already complained about the deteriorating services of Thai Inter after becomgin Privatized in 1992.
So many conflicts of interest within Organization have forced Thai Inter to buy components from various sources instead of standardized ones .... Drainging more moeny ...
Even worse, those political patronage have wrecked havoc on human resources ... causign deterioratign services from unquyalified Air Hostesses who are actually daughters of those power that be ....
Minsmanagement also deter Thai Inter from grabbing more passengers even though there are potential demands such as LA routes ....
Thoise politicnas as well as thsoe spoiled local journalists keep makign a free rides without paying ANY single satang for the 1st class as well as Business Class seats .... Compelling Air Hostesses to SPIT on thsoe free ride passengers .... :(
Press release: Aviation Safety Network releases 2005 airliner accident figures
Date: 1 January 2006
the Aviation Safety Network / Harro Ranter
The Aviation Safety Network today released last year's airliner accident statistics showing a total of 1059 airliner accident fatalities, as a result of 35 fatal accidents. Africa still is the most unsafe region with 13 accidents.
Although the number of accidents was significantly lower than the ten-year average (40), the number of fatalities was almost equal to the 1995-2004 ten-year average. This was caused by the high number of serious accidents. In aviation history just five years suffered more than six accidents resulting in 100 or more fatalities.
A positive downward trend in accidents can be seen for North-, Central and South America, Asia and Australasia. Europe’s steady decrease however was halted in 2005 at a ten-year average of 6,7 accidents.
Africa on the other hand remained the most unsafe continent with 13 fatal accidents (37%), while Africa only accounts for approximately 4.5 percent of all world aircraft departures.
Eleven fatal passenger flight accidents in 2004 was an all-time low. However, 2005 showed a marked increase to 21. Although still lower than the ten-year average, measures seem necessary to continue a positive trend.
Where in 2004 cargo planes were reason for concern, 2005 showed a remarkable decrease in cargo plane crashes to eight.
Last year’s accidents again highlighted the four aviation safety priorities, identified by the Flight Safety Foundation (FSF):
* Controlled flight into terrain (CFIT)
CFIT occurs when an airworthy aircraft under the control of the flight crew is flown unintentionally into terrain, obstacles or water, usually with no prior awareness by the crew.
CFIT accidents in 2005 were probably responsible for almost one quarter of all fatal accidents, killing over 160.
* Approach and landing
Twelve accidents happened in the approach and landing phase last year, killing 228 passengers and crew members.
* Loss of control
Again several accidents last year can be attributed to a loss of control of some kind. In August an MD-80 crashed when the flight crew were not able to recover from an engine flameout, airplane stall and high speed descent at night over unlit mountainous terrain. All 160 on board were killed.
* Human factors
As most accident investigations are not completed yet, it's too early to tell in what cases human actions were a causal factor in accidents in 2005. However the investigation into the August 14 crash of a Cypriot Boeing 737 plane in Greece will surely focus on questions like why the Pressurization Mode Selector (PMS) was left in the "Manual" position after maintenance, why the crew did not detect this, how the crew interpreted the various warnings and indications and that the aircraft did nor pressurize after takeoff. Another issue will be the intra-cockpit communications.
It must be stressed that human factors does not mean "pilot error"; in human factors it is important to determine which mistakes were made, why, under what circumstances etc.
The Aviation Safety Network is an independent organisation located in the Netherlands. Founded in 1996, it has the aim to provide everyone with a (professional) interest in aviation with up-to-date, complete and reliable authoritative information on airliner accidents and safety issues.
The figures have been compiled using the airliner accident database of the Aviation Safety Network, the Internet leader in aviation safety information. The Aviation Safety Network uses information from authoritative and official sources like NTSB, ICAO etc.
More information
http://aviation-safety.net
http://aviation-safety.net/pubs/ (ASN Statistical Summary 2005 - full report)
Harro Ranter
the Aviation Safety Network
e-mail: hr@aviation-safety.net
definitions
Accident
"An occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, in which a person on the airplane is fatally injured and the airplane is damaged beyond repair." This excludes criminal occurrences like hijackings and sabotage.
Airliner
"Commercial multi-engine airplane which, in certificated maximum passenger configuration, is capable of carrying 14 or more passengers."
(Source: ASN Newsletter)
Full report for 2005 (including a description of the quite incredible Helios Airways crash on 14 August) can be downloaded here: http://aviation-safety.net/pubs/asn/
AVIATION / SUVARNABHUMI RUNWAY INCIDENT
Professionalism of THAI cockpit crew questioned after bad landing
BOONSONG KOSITCHOTETHANA
The professionalism of Thai Airways International's cockpit crew has been questioned by aviation experts after one of its pilots supposedly failed to report a recent incident in which a THAI aircraft skidded off the runway at Suvarnabhumi airport.
The 260-seat Airbus A300-600 was landing after an afternoon flight from Phuket about two weeks ago in 24-knot winds and rain when it skidded off the left side of the runway, according to industry sources.
Most passengers on board the THAI jetliner were unaware of the incident which caused only minor damage to the aircraft and the runway, with no injuries or fatalities.
The aircraft's left landing gear sank into the soft soil on the edge of the runway before the cockpit crew managed to pull the wheels back up on the tarmac and proceeded to park the plane safely, the sources said.
The jetliner's left-side landing gear and a section of the aircraft's fuselage were damaged, while some guiding lights on the tarmac were broken. The runway underwent a clean-up.
It took 3-4 days to repair the aircraft in a secretive manner and the runway was forced to close for about one hour so that it could be put back into a good and safe working condition, the industry sources said.
Only the higher authorities of the national carrier and the Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT), which operates Suvarnabhumi airport, were informed of the incident, while the new pilot of the aircraft refrained from reporting the incident which sources said he was legally and ethically obliged to do.
Neither were the aviation regulatory bodies, such as the Department of Civil Aviation, officially notified of the matter.
Aviation experts believe that the pilot might have considered it a minor incident or he did not want to tarnish the airline's reputation.
''But it is strange for a pilot not to report such an incident. Even the smallest thing, such as spotting a large bird at the airport, is normally reported to the aviation authorities,'' a veteran pilot said.
The main principle behind the reporting is to alert others about all possible obstacles that could endanger other flights and compromise safety, he said.
The behaviour of the THAI pilot calls into question how the airline is training its cockpit crew and whether they are taking safety standards seriously enough.
Airport officials say they have the whole incident on a videotape and have launched an investigation with a view to claiming compensation from the national carrier.
While several parties have confirmed to the Bangkok Post that the incident did take place, THAI executive vice president Narongsak Sangapong yesterday flatly denied that it ever took place.
''There was no such incident. I have not received any reports about it,'' he stated, insisting the story was based on ''imagination and hearsay''.
''The pilot would have certainly reported to the parties concerned if the incident had really occurred,'' ACM Narongsak said.
Link may expire:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/21Jul2007_news02.php
Note the two headlines here refer to separate incidents. I have placed the account of last Sunday's plane crash at Phuket Airport in a separate thread, which can be accessed by clicking the lower hyperlinked headline:Emergency landing by AirAsia
One-Two-Go jet retracted landing gear before crashing: AOT director (http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?p=17214#post17214)
Published on September 21, 2007
A Thai AirAsia plane made an emergency landing at Suvarnabhumi Airport yesterday, 20 minutes after it took off for Chiang Rai.
After leaving the new airport at 11.35am, the pilot of flight FD3254 noticed an engine system called ADI was malfunctioning. The pilot decided to return to Suvarnabhumi and all passengers were later put on another flight.
Tassapon Bijleveld, chief executive of Thai AirAsia, said the problem was not a big deal and the flight was only delayed 40 minutes by the incident.
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http://www.nationmultimedia.com/rss/headlines.rss
Would someone with a more technical knowledge of the aviation industry care to tell us what this report might be all about? A "crashlanding" that doesn't ground the plane for further checks, in spite of an injury being sustained. As often with local English-language reports, I don't have a clue what they are talking about!: :confused: ..........
Second One-Two-Go plane has crash landing
By Achadtaya Chuenniran and Thai News Agency
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Meanwhile, another One-Two-Go flight from Bangkok to Hat Yai yesterday had a minor crash landing, but the pilot managed to control the aircraft.
One of the plane's lights and air-conditioning control panels fell on top of a passenger and oxygen masks also dropped down, airport officials said.
One passenger suffered bruising.
The incident took place less than a week after 89 passengers were killed and 41 injured when One-Two-Go flight OG269 from Bangkok veered off the runway and crashed at Phuket airport.
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Udom Tantiprasongchai, president of Orient Thai Airlines, operator of the One-Two-Go budget airline, said he had received a report on yesterday's incident which said the pilot had to make a crash landing on the runway to ensure the wheels firmly touched down.
He said it was ''a normal situation'' which happened occasionally and did not suggest the plane was of sub-standard quality. He said officials of the Civil Aviation Department investigated the cause of the accident and had found nothing wrong with the plane.
He said the department had allowed the plane to get back into service.
May expire soon:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/23Sep2007_news03.php
Recent Phuket Airport One-Two-Go crash:
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?p=17278#post17278
Recent AirAsia Emergency landing:
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?t=2773
airlana
09-05-08, 05:01 AM
25-DEC-1976 Boeing 707 SU-AXA EgyptAir 52 (+ 19 ground fatalities)
Crashed into a factory shortly before landing at Don Muang on a flight from Cairo. No survivors.
I'd really like to know where the three machines that crashed on approach to Bangkok Int'l hit the ground; especially what factory that was in case of the Egypt Air flight.
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There's further info on this accident at
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAPAP2002_4.PDF
see appendix 1 page 72
where it states "crashed short of the runway into a textile factory. A fire occurred after impact. The aircraft
wreckage and the textile factory were destroyed by impact and ground fire."
By using Google Earth and taking a center line 2kms before the threshold of runway 21L will pinpoint the location. Perhaps someone is familar with that area the textile factories in 1976
airlana
Wisarut
11-05-08, 09:37 PM
In such a case, I guerss it may be Thai Teijin Textile factorty in Northern Rangsit owned by Teijin (Japanese firm) and Khun Pramarn Adireksarn. :D :) ;)
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