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bangyuk
01-12-03, 07:57 PM
Thought this might be of interest - it came to me through a rather convoluted source, but perhaps someone should approach this guy to read 2bangkok.com!


Bangyuk


>>> "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" <richmond@ALUM.MIT.EDU> 11/28/03 10:49am >>>
Dear Planeteers,

Thailand can be an intriguing place, but try finding turkey on
Thanksgiving! I have now learned, more or less, what the "safer" items
are
in the cafeteria, but the Thais do have a way of putting little spice
bombs in even the most innocuous-seeming foods: little peppers that make
you convulse and fume, which fellow diners in the cafeteria seem to
find
quite entertaining!

But I digress. I am really here to tell you about my local ghost
station.
You see, I have a bit of time on my hands right now. I was in the middle
of typing some job applications (directed, in fact, to some of your
attentions, so now you will know why they might be a bit late!), when I
realized that the version of Microsoft Office on my computer was about
to
expire. I had downloaded a free trial version of Office 2003, which is
only usable until November 30. And I had been assured by AIT that they
would have the full replacement version on time, and that it was a
campus
license which could be legally used on faculty member laptops. So far so
good.

The IT people kindly completed the installation of the new program
today,
deleting the copy on my hard disk in the process. Alas, the version
turns out to be Thai language ONLY (you would have thought Microsoft
would
have automatically included English), and some special "language pack"
is
needed which is on a separate disk. I have to wait until next week for
them to get what is required.

So I now have a bit of time to chat.

My student Joom had told me about the train station at Thammasat
University. It had been built for the 1998 Asian Games and then closed.
Despite being next to a huge state university and a science park as well
as AIT, the place was deserted and there were no services there, she
said.

Well, last Saturday I decided to go to Lop Buri. I went to Chiang Rak
station, about three miles away. The station is very little used because
it is set well away from the university complex, and there is no direct
transport to get there (you have to get a bus and then either walk about
a
mile, dodging the large number of over-excited dogs in the road, or flag
down a songtao pick-up truck). There aren't many trains there anyway, as
the State Railways seem to concentrate on intercity services, with
little
done to develop Bangkok area local traffic. I made it to the statiion on
time, and found the train was running just ten minutes late, not bad by
Thai standards.

The train looked packed out as it came in to the platform, but I noticed
that the carriage behind the engine seemed empty. I ran up to the car
behind that one, and saw that the door went into some sort of crew area
--
which I walked through to enter the empty passenger seating (which,
however, I believe was part of the crew area). I wasn't thrown out. One
other crew member lounged around there. Two others were in beds in
alcoves
between this zone and the rest of the train. There seemed to be a small
kitchen, also, with saucepans and preparations going on. Thais will
never
avoid the excuse for a proper meal, and this requires cooking. No
sandwiches for this nation!

Three or four minutes after we'd left, we stopped at a concrete
platform.
Two passengers boarded... This then was the Thammasat University
station.
But it wasn't in the train timetable! What was going on?

Continued on to Lop Buri. It was very hot, and all the windows on
the non-airconditioned train were open, hot air blowing in. The fields
were a bright and artificial green, illuminated by harsh sunlight.
Some of the stations -- this was a local train and we stopped everywhere
-- were attractive as well as peaceful, with displays of bright flowers
and dogs lazing in the sun. At every stop, someone came to the platform
to wave first a red flag and them a green one. It seems that stations
have a flag waver as well as a ticket seller and various other people
without much to do most of the time.

The toilets on board are of the traditional variety, but must be quite
tricky to use by women or for men requiring more than a pee. You have to
mount quite a high shelf and perch precariously on two narrow footholds
facing forwards and trying not to fall into the toilet as the train
lurches onwards.

Returning home, I bought a ticket... to the nonexistent station!
"Thammasat," I said, and a ticket was issued to "Thammasat University,"
even through there is no such station in the railway timetable.

The problem with non-aircon trains in the evening is that all sorts of
insects get blown in. Quite a collection, from grasshoppers to
mosquitos,
settled on me. Still, the air was cooler now, and it was pleasant to
look
out at the landscape without glass intervening (I noted, incidentally,
that the train had airconditioning units. Whether these were broken or
simply not in use because the train was at non-aircon fare, I don't
know.)

I asked the guard about positioning myself to get off the train at
Thammasat, and he told me it would be the station after Chaing Rak Noi
(he
didn't seem to understand my question about whether I should move down
the
train to be near the platform). We stopped at what I thought was Chaing
Rak Noi, but I could not make out the station name. We came in to the
next
station, but people I asked insisted it was definitely not Thammasat. In
fact, while the train stopped, my carriage had overshot the unlit
platform
(which truly looked ghostly in the distance) by quite an extent, so I
faced a decision over whether to jump out into snake-infested grass and
walk back to what might be the wrong station (with a strong possibility
that this would be the last train of the night to stop there), or to
stay
on board.

The train started moving, making my decision for me, and shortly
afterwards I realized that this had in fact been the mystery station. I
alighted at my starting point for the day.

Determined to prove that the ghost station really existed, I took a walk
the next day, taking my train ticket with me in case I needed to ask
directions. In fact, I found the concrete platforms quite quickly. The
"station" is approached via a somewhat ceremonious arch, a remnant of
the Asian Games, but there are no buildings or facilities there
beyond a footbridge over the tracks. There are three concrete platforms,
and that is it. No ticket office, no timetables posted or other
information. No lighting, which is why it looked such a desolate place
the
previous night.

I went up onto the footbridge and seconds later a Bangkok-headed diesel
multiple unit speeded through. I walked down one of the platforms,
observed by a couple of kids curious about what this madman with camera,
taking pictures of nothingness, was doing. Walked off the end of the
platform and crossed the nearer track to take a picture of the
whole station. Just then I spotted an intercity train in the distance
and
got well out of its way as it thundered past.

OK, so neither of these trains stopped here: but, the day before, both
trains I was on did pause in this strange and lonely outpost. Which
trains
do stop here? Why do they stop when the station is not in the timetable
and none of the normal Thai station facilities (ticket office, red and
green flag wavers) are in evidence? It is not clear I will ever find out
what is going on, and I'm not sure I want to risk coming here to try to
catch a train when I could be left grounded.

Still, this could be an excellent facility if developed properly, and
this
seems to be part of the tragedy of so many projects in developing
countries which are built for some showy reason such as an international
event, and then abandoned. This station on a high-speed mainline to
Bangkok is not only in the midst of a substantial population that
travels to Bangkok regularly, but the terminal point for all the local
bus lines (although there are no facilities for passengers here, just
mud
and dirt, and a makeshift restaurant for the drivers to take a meal
break and lounge around). The roads are impossibly congested much of the
time, with three hour trips to Bangkok (about 25 miles away) quite
common. The
train, if run properly, could do the journey in under an hour. But
hardly
anyone knows about this station, and my guess is that no more than a few
trains stop here each day -- and who knows which trains those
are? So instead of having what could be a wonderful transit interchange,
we have a wasted opportunity.

I went over to the bus lot, climbed on the first bus heading out, and
rode
the brief distance back to AIT to keep out of the overwhelming midday
sun.

--Jonathan!

Wisarut
02-12-03, 08:46 AM
Khun Bunyuk Khun Jonathan,

Nahh That Thammasart Stop is not closed down even though there are only 2 commuter stopping at that stop every day ...
Too bad, that Thammsart stop is at very remoted area ....
the area that are prone to the dacoits ....


I would like to remind you that Thammasart Stop is in the Commuter Time table, NOT the Northern Timetable as the Author Claim... Theauthor must sit down at the restaurant car of the intercity trains, not the commter trains which many Bangkokians use.

However, most people would opt top Chaing Rak station -> the station with decoration for Asian Games 1998 .... sinee most train (except the express train) would stop there. Well, there are very few local bus that go around there though .... or motorcycle taxi if they can find ones.

We better wait until Thammsart University (Rangsit Campus) is expanded to be neighbor or even cover that rail track and they that Thammasart Stop will be renovated in the same way as
Phra Chomklao stop (the stop closest to King Mongkut Institute of Technology, Lad Krabang) will have a building ....

Err, I would like to remind you that the next stop after Thammasart is Navanakhorn Stop (the industrial estate).

Furthermroe, the area along the tracks from Rangsit to Ayutthaya
is in the green belt ... most are for farming .....

otherstuff1957
12-05-04, 11:54 AM
Does anyone have any experience with commuting by train in Bangkok? I'm considering moving to the Don Muang area and was wondering if it were possible to commute to and from central BKK via the SRT from there? I've downloaded a schedule from the Thai side of the SRT website (I can read Thai very slowly and innaccurately :p ), and it looks like there are some regularly scheduled trains, but does anybody here have any practical experience using them?

TIA

Wisarut
15-05-04, 09:31 PM
Khun Tia,

Sure, you can use commuter trains from Donmaung to Hua Lamphong ... Riding the good old THN DMU stuffs or those pushed by GEK, GEA, ALS, HID if you want to safe your money ... or you can use the airconditioned one aready to pay for the aircondition fee (those with Kiha 58) which I could make a summary as follows:

Outbound (Odd Number) BKK - Donmuang
Number Train BKK Donmuang
301 BKK - Lopburi 16.15 17.10 (Weekends and Holidays)
303 BKK - Lopburi 04.20 04.58 (Weekdays Only)
305 BKK - Ayutthaya 18.10 19.08
307 BKK - Lopburi 04.20 04.57 (Weekdays Only)
313 BKK - Ban Phachee 16.45 17.41 (Weekdays Only)
315 BKK - Lopburi 16.10 17.03 (Weekdays Only)
317 BKK - Lopburi 17.15 18.02 (Weekdays Only)
339 BKK - Kaeng Khoi 05.20 05.59 (Weekdays Only)
341 BKK - Kaeng Khoi 17.25 18.13 (Weekdays Only)
343 BKK - Kaeng Khoi 17.25 18.13 (Weekends and Holidays)

Inbound (Even Number) Donmaung - BKK
Number Train Donmuang BKK
302 Lopburi - BKK 07.39 08.40 (Weekends and Holidays)
304 Lopburi - BKK 10.07 10.55
306 Ayutthaya - BKK 06.41 07.40 (Weekdays Only)
314 Ban Phachee - BKK 06.09 07.10 (Weekdays Only)
316 Lopburi - BKK 06.57 08.05 (Weekdays Only)
318 Lopburi - BKK 08.19 09.20 (Weekdays Only)
340 Kaeng Khoi - BKK 10.36 11.20
342 Kaeng Khoi - BKK 07.25 08.25
344 Kaeng Khoi - BKK 07.25 08.25 (Weekdays Only)
376 Rangsit - Hua Takhe 05.44 07.05

If you miss those Commuter train, the regular trains would help

Outbound (Odd Number) BKK - Donmuang
Number Train BKK Donmuang
207 BKK - Nakhon Sawan 14.00 14.48 -
209 BKK - Ban Taklee 11.15 12.07 -
231 BKK - Nakhon Ratchasima 09.10 09.58 -
233 BKK - Surin 11.45 12.32

Inbound (Even Number) Donmaung - BKK
Number Train Donmuang BKK
208 Nakhon Sawan - BKK 09.14 10.05 -
210 Ban Taklee - BKK 19.48 20.35 -
232 Nakhon Ratchasima - BKK 20.47 21.35 -
234 Surin - BKK 13.08 14.00 -
72 Si Khoraphum - BKK 14.09 14.50

You can rely on those rapid trains, express trains, express DMUs if you want but better prepare to pay for the extra luxuries.

ncr
15-05-04, 11:35 PM
Khun Wisarut,

his name is not Tia.... he just wanted to say 'Thanks In Advance'. (Damned acronyms!)



:) :) :)

rkh101
20-05-04, 10:05 AM
First I would like to say hi to everyone in this forum, good info and smart people. Well, I am moving to Bangkok in December 2004. I will be attending Rangsit University. I have a little info on the area but its very vague. I know that the school is about 3 km. away from the Don Muang Airport. Is there a train station closer to the school or do I have to use the airport commuter train? Also I know of some apartments in the area but was wondering if anyone had any specific opinions.

Wisarut
20-05-04, 10:48 AM
Khun rkh101,

You have to drop down at Lak Hok Stop - the closest stop to Rangsit University and Muang Ek Village. You live aroudn Talad Donmaung area, you could ask Motorcycle cab to make a ride to Muang Ek. :D - Lak Hok is the next stop after Donmuang but before Klong Ransit stop and Rangsit Station ... Only regular train and BKK Commuter woill stop at Lak Hok.

Thre used to be the BKK - Donmaung aircon train but now such service ceased to exist due to very high ticket price (100 Baht/ seat) comparing to the cheap non aircon commuter train (5-7 Baht) Even aircon version should be around 30-35 Baht.

rkh101
21-05-04, 01:56 AM
Thanks for the info. One more thing, do you know where I can look for a schedule or map?

Wisarut
21-05-04, 10:44 PM
If you can read Thai, you Better go to
http://www.railway.co.th/seatcheck/guest/searchtime/AllSearch.asp

Choose th left mose side tab for the The station for tyhe startign point and the choose the middle station for the station for your destination and then choose the right tab the train type, Choose the last of the tab for Commuter trian (Rot Cahn Muang) and then you 'll be aboe to choose the train you are goinbg ...

Howevr, if you limit your search for noly Norhtenr line -> go to http://www.railway.co.th/seatcheck/guest/searchtime/Northsearch.asp
If you choose only Northeastern lines, go to
http://www.railway.co.th/seatcheck/guest/searchtime/NorthEastSearch.asp

If you choose ONLy the Eastern line, go to
http://www.railway.co.th/seatcheck/guest/searchtime/EastSearch.asp

If you choose only Southern line, go to
http://www.railway.co.th/seatcheck/guest/searchtime/Southsearch.asp

Wisarut
01-08-04, 11:46 AM
SRT BKK Commuter Service has reached the following stations

Northern - Lopburi via Ban Phachee
Northeastern - Kaeng Khoi
Southern - Suphanburi and Rajaburi
Eastern - Chachoengsao via Hua Thakhe

Now, the shortage of Diesel Railcars and DMUs (BEL Sprinter and Daewoo) has forced SRT tu use good old GEK and familiar Alstom as the locomotives for driving commuter lines.

Many of those college students of SWU at Ongkharak, pre cadets, and cadets want the Eastern commuter to go alogn freigh route (Klong Sip Kao - Kaeng Khoi) to pick the mup but the shortage of railcars and DMUs have forced SRT to freeze such proposal.

jpatokal
08-10-04, 10:11 PM
I was thinking of visiting Bang Pa-In this weekend, how close is the train station to the palace? Also, for the "down" trains coming from Chiang Mai to Bangkok, how reliable is the timetable? Are multi-hour delays common? There are only three services daily in each direction... ...

http://www.railway.co.th/timetable/N_N.html

pong
12-10-04, 08:51 PM
1.distance; very close; the station was built for those who visit the royal palace there (the Buses stop at the market/village, some distance away, but of course a local route passes by from there)
2. FROm ChMai; well, you take chances, delays are not very uncommon, this is not JPN, but also not that often to be completely unreliable. However, IF there is a delay (1-line working, due to accident: the usual cause) then they will be substantial.

jpatokal
12-10-04, 11:43 PM
OK, good to know. I eventually ended up getting on the "wrong" train that passes by Bang Pa-In and went straight to Ayutthaya... but 3rd class on SRT trains is definitely, erm, an experience. Who needs air-con when you can sit at the door? And thanks to K. Somchai and his buddy in Buriram for the Sang Som, interesting conversation (only slightly hampered by the facts that they spoke almost no English and I speak almost no Thai) and the kind invitation to visit their village :D

Wisarut
02-01-05, 08:30 PM
Either Ban Phachi or Nong Pladuk

gwmss15
15-01-05, 04:16 PM
Does anyone know where to get infomation in english on the entire bangkok and surrounding areas SRT commuter rail system

ie information on timetable/ frequency and stations and routes, time taken to get to central station

also does anyone know how reliable these trains are?

do the stick to within 5 mins of there timetable if there is one?

has anyone had any experance of using these trains on a daily basis?

iam after this info as iam thinking of get a place to stay abit further out from bangkok city centre. and i hoping to rent a apartment or house close to a station on a regular commuter service route ie from 4.30am to 11pm every day

I hope someone can help me if anyone has info in a file or document please private message me

The Enforcer!
16-01-05, 07:42 AM
The SRT site if out of date but this one http://www.bangkok-busmap.com/railways/time_northern.htm is reasonably okay except that a few additional Sprinters have been added in (see thread in this section).

I am told commutter trains are as unreliable as in most countries but to be fair I have never been on one.

Khun Wisarut may have a more up to date timetable source.

Personally I would move close to MRT or BTS!

The Enforcer!

pong
17-01-05, 08:18 PM
ive not used them daily, but regularly, often after early morning arrival by plane, from airport, yes, with luggage.
they are MUCH LESSS reliable as the Swiss, german, etc, railways, ofen 10-20 mins late. this may be worse in bad wheather. on the other hand, all trains posted always seem to run and cancellations are very, very rare. also there is enarly always a seat to be found, perhaps ater the next stop, when people get off. its not JPN here!
the nr of train is fairly limited: but geared to waht it says: commuting: into town in the morning Am peak, back from 15.30-19.00, thereafter mainly the long-dist expresses.
this is for the line toward Rangsit-north.
the eastern line toard HuaTakHe is also prione to delays, due to 1 track. nop service at all ater 20.00
there seem to be no longterm tickets: always buy ticket anytime you ride, even just for 3-4 baht.

gwmss15
18-01-05, 05:48 AM
i wasnt comparing it to japan but melbourne australia where delays and cancelations are common.

i was more after is there a regular service from early morning to midnight every day because the traffic in bangkok can be very slow and i was hoping to use these trains to avoid the delays

does anyone have a english language copy of the timetables for all the bangkok local SRT commuter line even if its just a pdf file

please let me know

thanks guys for your help

The Enforcer!
18-01-05, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by gwmss15
does anyone have a english language copy of the timetables for all the bangkok local SRT commuter line even if its just a pdf file
My listing http://www.bangkok-busmap.com/railw...me_northern.htm is in English! If you place your cursor over the text at the top it will show you the timetables of all lines (Eastern, Souther, Northern, NE or Maeklong)

There is no regular service pattern.

The Enforcer!

qualtrough
14-09-05, 11:16 PM
I returned from Pak Chong today on the AC diesel railcar that was schedculed to depart at 12:32. It actually arrived an hour later, I assume due to the heavy rain. As we neared Don Muang station an attendent opened the door as the train stopped. But we were not at the station, and the attendent was as confused as we were. A minute or so later just about every railway official at the head end of the train rushed passed us to the rear. One of them said "Phuying, Phuying". The reason we had stopped just short of the station was because the train had just struck and killed a girl in her twenties. She must have stepped in front of the train with no warning because there was no heavy braking. We stayed there about 10 minutes, and then backed up a ways. Finally emergency vehicles arrived. It was raining pretty heavily at the time, so I don't know if that was a factor. I am sure the paper will have the news tomorrow. Very sad day for her friends and family. Watch out for those trains everyone!

gwmss15
03-04-08, 01:02 AM
I have recently updated my Thai Mass Transport Systems Blog. with 4 new interesting transport topics.

SRT: The Eastern Line and the construction of the Airport Rail Link.
http://thaitransit.blogspot.com/2008/04/srt-eastern-line-and-construction-of.html

SRT: The Main System (Hualamphong Station and rail yard).
http://thaitransit.blogspot.com/2008/04/srt-main-system-hualamphong-station-and.html

SRT: A trip on the Ayutthaya Commuter Line (Main North line).
http://thaitransit.blogspot.com/2008/04/srt-trip-on-ayutthaya-commuter-line.html

I hope you find these update rather interesting. More updates will be coming soon.

gwmss15
07-05-08, 10:41 PM
I have recently updated my Thai Mass Transport Systems website with 4 new interesting topics.

1. SRT: Bang Sue Junction and Station.

http://thaitransit.blogspot.com/2008/05/srt-bang-sue-junction-and-station.html

2. The Mega Mochit 2 Bus Terminal.

http://thaitransit.blogspot.com/2008/05/mega-mochit-2-bus-terminal.html

3. The Main South line: Bang Sue to Taling Chan link.

http://thaitransit.blogspot.com/2008/05/main-south-line-bang-sue-to-taling-chan.html

4. Mochit 2: The Metro Bus Terminal.

http://thaitransit.blogspot.com/2008/05/mochit-2-metro-bus-terminal.html

I hope you find the pictures and vehicles shown to be of interest if you view this please post some comments and feelings about the pictures.

DR.WANGEMANN
09-05-08, 03:47 PM
Dear Khun gwmss15,

I've seen your absolute marvellous photos of the commuterlines in the Greater Bangkok Area and I was really impressed how you've showed all the interesting sections of the track layout.As you've maybe heard already a lot of people,including Mr.Wisarut Bholsithi,Mr.Dick van der Spek ,a lot of friends are working on a detailed track map for the SRT.A lot of work is done,but still some sections are widely unexplored,e.g. for the Bangkok Area the depot area of Bang Sue Junction,the total of Phahonyothin Freight Terminal,the depot at Thon Buri and the area south and southwest of the Bangkok Hualampong depot.Sadly I couldn't update from your photos these missing track layouts as they don't show the total area in detail.Every help for this ambitious project of a detailed track map is mostly welcome so maybe you could contact me:dr.wangemann@t-online.de As especially Mr.Wisarut has done a lot of work already and we're very thankful for his help,but he can't do the work alone and we do need the help of people,of course,who live in Bangkok,it would be absolutely great if you could and would like to participate in our project.
The first step in our project will be a detailed Thailand Railway Map,which will be drawn by the cartographer expert Mr.Dick van der Spek,and this map then will show every station/stop with detailed Km,exact location of platform and station building,the major bridges,tunnels,goods connections and a lot more information.
I do hope that you're might be able to give some help for our project.
With best wishes from

Volker

Yappofloyd
16-06-08, 05:15 PM
Nice full page article in last Sat Bangkok Post on the thrifty virtues, in an escalting transport cost climate, of catching the SRT 3rd class to surrounding cities; "Third-class passengers pay only 10 to 15 baht for the roughly 100-kilometre trip from Bangkok to the likes of Ayutthaya, Nakhon Pathom and Chachoengsao."

A number of pics as well, http://www.bangkokpost.com/140608_News/14Jun2008_news92.php

(Note: link available for 1 month from 14/06)