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[ncr]

1. Can anyone tell me if the railway line to Suphanburi is still in use? At least it is not mentioned in any SRT timetable (it should be included in the Southern Line schedule). If there are passenger trains, from which station in Bangkok do they leave (Hualamphong or Thonburi - like the ones to Kanchanaburi/Nam Tok)? Or is the Suphanburi line just used by freight trains (but I don't think so)?

2. When travelling to Prachinburi-Aranyaprathet on the Eastern Line in August, I noticed there's a track branching off at Khlong Sip Kao station (A. Bang Nam Priew, Chachoengsao province), going to A. Ongkharak (Nakhon Nayok province). It doesn't appear on any map I know of (and I know lots!), though. Apparently it's just for freight trains, not for passenger traffic. This weekend I also noticed a bridge crossing the road in Ongkharak when going back from Nakhon Nayok to Rangsit/Bangkok - it seemed to be a railway viaduct. Maybe anyone (Khun Wisarut....) knows more about this line, why it was built to this place (is there any industry at Ongkharak that necessitates a rail connection...?) and when?

[Wisarut]

Khun NCR,

For the route from Nong Pladuk Junction to Suphanburi, it is still used as a daily commuter line between Thonburi (Bangkok Noy) to Suphanburi even though SRT initially designed as the route from Nong Pladuk Junction to Lopburi via Suphanburi - the
North-South shotcut ... However, th swampy area between Suphanburi to Lopburi prevented SRT from making further
extension to Lopburi.

It's not until around 1960's that those who live in Suphanburi could access to the outside world by train .... before that, the boat route from Bangkok (Tha Tian) to Suphanburi is the only major lifeline for those who live in Suphan buri. Now, the 4-lane
ighways around Suphanburi are going to compete with teh Nogn Pladue - Suphanburi line (Thanks to Mr. Banharn)

Actually, this route (Thonburi - Suphanburi) has been mentioned on the Southern Commuter section (in Thai version of course - but NOT in English version).

That Kaeong Khoy - Ongkharak - Klong 19 route is for freight trains (mostly), allowing to move the exports from the Factories in Isan region to Laem Chabang Port and allowing to move the crude oils as well as other imported goods from Laem Chabang to
IUsan region without having to go through Kong Toei port.
I'm not so sure if SRT is allocating the local trains from Kaeng Koy
to Plootaluang (the terminal for passenger trains)

SRT has scaned a map of the current SRT nationwide routes including Nong Pladuek - Suphanburi as well as
Kaeng Koi - Ongkharak - Klong 19).

[ncr]

Thanks, Khun Wisarut. I knew you would know..... (is there anything you DON'T know about Thai railroads? ;))

So that freight line really connects Chachoengsao with Kaeng Khoi, interesting..... I had heard something about this shortcut somewhere before (probably on 2bangkok.com? :D), but the sign at Khlong 19 just says "Ongkharak" - well, it's probably just the name of the next station then.

As for the other line, I will have to take a train to Suphanburi one day, as I am trying to travel by train in every single province that has a railway connection. As of today, Chiang Mai, Lamphun, Lampang, Phrae, Sukhothai, Nongkhai and Pattani (yes, the Hat Yai - Sungai Kolok line passes through Pattani province) are still missing on my list; the rest has been covered already (Nakhon Nayok will not be possible unless they start a passenger service there).

Oh, that leads me to another question - does the eastern line to Ban Phlutaluang (Chonburi) also have a branch track to Rayong, or is that just a plan?

[Wisarut]

Khun NCR,

Ongkharak is the Next station after Klong 19 Junction ...
Hope that there will be a commuter line once the cord line from
Ban Phachee to Klong 19 has become a reality.

Yep there are a branch from Plootaluang to Laem Chabang Deep Sea Port and another branch that go to Map Ta Phut Inndustrial Estate in Rayong. Too bad, SRT thougth that the extension from Map Ta Phut to Rayong (a part of Monthon Chanthaburi) is unworthy to invest ....

Those who live in Chanthaburi have been attempting to lobby the government to extend the railway route to
Chanthaburi since the 1920's. However, it failed to materialize.

[ncr]

Yes, it would be a very good idea to connect to Ban Phachee (Ayutthaya province), since that would join the Eastern, Northern and Northeastern networks - and quite easy to accomplish, as it's not that far at all! (About 50 km from Ongkharak, and 30 km from Wiharn Daeng (Saraburi province), the closest point, if that is where the freight line passes. These distances are given 'as the crow flies', of course.)

And why did they choose to build the Chonburi line to Ban Phlutaluang? What is there??? Does it connect to a port in Sattahip district or does it end before it reaches the coast? It seems quite strange that they didn't extend it to Chanthaburi or at least Rayong right from the beginning!

[Wisarut]

Khun NCR, the cort line from Ban Phachee to Klong 19 via Ongkharak will allow the products from Eastern seaboard to go up North without having to go to Kaeng Khoy at all ... furthermroe, it will turn Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 as well as Ban Phachee - Klong 19 to become 2 new commuter lines ... for Bangkokians who want to have a new and cheaper house beyond Rangsit - Klong 3. Now, the house in Rangsiut are become unaffordable .... due to higher demands after being suppressed by 1997 recession ....

For the case of Eastern railway, it is indeed go to Laem Chabang
and Map Taphut, thanks to the Eastern Seaboard. However, there are very few houses beyond Plootaluang Commune of Sattahip (whcih has Sattahip Naval Base and HQ of Royal Thai Naval Fleet) due to industrial estates and military areas - htus SRT terminate the passenger service at Ploo Taluang.

Probbaly, Chanthaburi has to come up with gem as well as fruit industry and ruber industry to make the route to Chanthaburi profitable.

Furthermore, the route from Aranyaprathet to Si Sophon (Cambodia) must be restored to allow the international line to Siemriep ... and probbaly allow Cambodian train to go to Chachoengsao .... the same way SRT and KTMB have made such
arrangement (BKK - Butterworth for SRT and Hat Yai - KL for KTMB)

[ncr]

Furthermore, the route from Aranyaprathet to Si Sophon (Cambodia) must be restored to allow the international line to Siemriep ... and probbaly allow Cambodian train to go to Chachoengsao .... the same way SRT and KTMB have made such arrangement.
YES, but I doubt that the Cambodian rolling stock would be suitable for that purpose.... have a look at http://www.seat61.com/Cambodia.htm (scroll down to the photos)! I'd also like to see that idea become reality, but the political situation between the two countries really isn't so good that an agreement about a rail link will be reached anytime soon..... Then, the Cambodian track needs a major renovation. I also think the section between Poipet and Sisophon has been partially dismantled. And as we all know, it's a very poor country, and they have other priorities than rebuilding their railway lines. (And you want to go to Siem Reap by train, Khun Wisarut? Well, nice thought, but that would mean a completely new track is needed..... the existing one is Sisophon - Battambang - Pursat - Phnom Penh.)

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For everyone else to know what we were talking about - One illustration of the Thai railway network is here:

http://www.worldbank.org/transport/rail/sys_maps/rail39.gif

It features all the lesser known lines and branch-offs from the main lines:

Ban Dara - Sawankhalok (Sukhothai), Nong Pladuk - Suphanburi, Nong Pladuk - Nam Tok (Kanchanaburi), Wong Wian Yai - Mahachai (Samut Sakhon), Ban Laem - Maeklong (Samut Songkhram), Klong 19 - Kaeng Khoi (Saraburi), Kaeng Khoi - Pasak Chonlasit Dam (Lopburi) - Chaturat (Chaiyaphum) - Bua Yai (Khorat), Laem Chabang branch and Map Thaput branch of Eastern Railway, Ban Thung Pho - Khiri Ratthanikhom (Surat Thani ), Thung Song - Kantang (Trang), Khao Chumthong - Nakhon Si Thammarat.

This map is a bit blurry and difficult to read, though. I remember there was a network plan on the SRT homepage, but the server seems to be down at the moment. I will give a link for that later if I can find it again.

[cityrain]

i'm posting this on behalf of 'Volker'--he's another good source of info on Thai railways:

today I've checked again www.2bangkok.com and I found the very interesting questions from ncr in the forum regarding "Unknown SRT Lines".I do hope that with my answers I can clear up the situation a little bit to help ncr in his/her investigation of the railway network of Thailand.

There is a daily train No.355(EXP DRC)which leaves Bangkok Hualamphong at 16.40,only stopping at Sam Sen,Bang Sue Junction,Bang Bamru,Phuttamonthon Sai 2,Sala Ya,Wat Ngiu Rai,Nakhon Pathom,Nong Pla Duk Junction,Thung Bua,Rong Rien Kanbin,Sri Samran,Don Thong and finally Suphan Buri(arr.19.32).Curiously that train rides further to a stop called Ma Lai Maen (arr.19.36)and then to reverse to Suphan Buri(arr.19.40).The curious stop Ma Lai Maen isn't shown on a town map of Suphan Buri,nor is it shown in the official station list of the SRT!

The train back to Krung Thep leaves Suphan Buri at 05.00,first running to Ma Lai Maen(dep.05.05)and then again to Suphan Buri(dep.05.09),the train number is 356 (EXP DRC)and it stops at Don Thong,Sri Samran,Rong Rien Kanbin,Thung Bua,Nong Pla Duk Junction,Sanam Chandra Palace,Nakhon Pathom,Wat Ngiu Rai,Sala Ya,Phuttamonthon Sai 2,Bang Bamru,Bang Sue Junction,Sam Sen and arriving at Bangkok Hualamphong at 08.10.

The line between Khlong Sip Kao Junction(EASTERN LINE)and Kaeng Khoi Junction(NORTHEASTERN LINE)has the following stations:

KHLONG SIP KAO JUNCTION km 85.60
Ongkharak km 115.00
Wihan Daeng Km 138.40

TUNNEL Phra Budhajai 1197.00 Meter(second longest tunnel in Thailand!Just south of Bu Yai station)
Bu Yai km 149.00

KAENG KHOI JUNCTION km 168.44
This line and the following lines are used only by goods trains:

SI RACHA JUNCTION km 130.60

LAEM CHABANG km 139.85

KAO CHI CHAN JUNCTION km 180.00
Ban Chang km 192.25

MAP TA PUT km 200.48
It seems that the section between Ban Plu Ta Luang(km 184.03)and SATTAHIP(km 195.90)is out of use in the moment,as there are no goods trains shown in the actual working timetable!
The following goods trains run on the mentioned sections:

535 :MAP TA PUT-KHON KAEN
536 :KHON KAEN-MAP TA PUT
541 :MAP TA PUT-UBON RATCHATHANI
542 :UBON RATCHATHANI-MAP TA PUT
633 :LAEM CHABANG-PHITSANULOK
635 :LAEM CHABANG-PHITSANULOK
636 :PHITSANULOK-LAEM CHABANG
643 :MAP TA PUT-NAKHON LAMPANG
644 :NAKHON LAMPANG-MAP TA PUT
645 :MAP TA PUT-PHITSANULOK
646 :PHITSANULOK-MAP TA PUT
647 :MAP TA PUT-CHIANG MAI
648 :CHIANG MAI-MAP TA PUT
841,845,849,851,857,861,863,865,867,869,871,873,87 5,877,879,883 all these HUA TAKHE-LAEM CHABANG.
842,846,850,852,858,862,864,866,868,870,872,874,87 6,878,880,884 all those LAEM CHABANG-HUA TAKHE.
881 :BANG SUE JUNCTION-LAEM CHABANG
882 :LAEM CHABANG-BANG SUE JUNCTION
2001:MAP TA PUT-KHON KAEN
2002:KHON KAEN-MAP TA PUT

On the EASTERN LINE the tracks are still in situ from Aranyaprathet(km 254.50)via stop Khlong Luk(km 257.?)to the station Thai(km 259.00)and the Thai/Cambodian border at km 260.449.By travel reports it is known that the tracks are totally missing between the border and a stop about 20 km west of Battambang,to which the Battambang train runs inofficially!
In the moment I'm in the preparation phase for a new book on the Thai railways,which means collecting informations and material. This book will be published in Germany and information from every side is mostly welcome.

With the best wishes from cool Berlin to warm Krung Thep.

from Volker

[Wisarut]

Khun Ron,

If possible, let Herrn. Volker to have a discussion with me ... so I could give him some data to put into his book. I would like ask Herrn. Volker to go into National Archieves to dig the data realting to Railways ... Many are not widely known ... even by
SRT officers ....

BTW, Malai Maen is the name of the Road as well as the name of Intersection in Muang district (Provincial Hall district) of Suphanburi .... Malai Maen is a stop like Phayathai Stop, not a full-fledge station like Makkasan .... and thsi is the evidence that SRT is aimign to extend from Suphan buri to Lopburi but failed to implement the plan.

Hmm ... Phutthamonthon Sai 2 is the name of the road that cut from Talingchan to Phetkasem .... It seem to me that this commuter line DID not use Talingchan Junction at all ... due to the tragedy of train crash which kill about 50 students in 1979

Salaya is the station nearest to Mahidol University (Salaya campus) ... this one has a termail for the BMTA bus No. 125 -> that private concession bus with very dilapidated buses

Rongrian Karnbin is the Kamphaengsaen Flying School of RTAF ...
All of those RTAF cadets who are qualified to fly must pass the examination from this school first before they are eligible to make any progress ....

Phra Budhajai (Phra Phutthachai) is the place where you can see the shadow of the Lord Buddha on the Mountain ....

Well, there was a Japansese who travelled by Train in Thailand to the passenger terminal at Plootaluang in 1998 ... and The following are the English data written by the Japanese who travelled around Thailand by Rail in 1998:

http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/t-koto/thai2/rinfoe.html
http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/t-koto/thai/rinfoe.html

For the case of Thai in the Aranyaprethet line, it is Thai Stop (not Thai station though - km 260) before going across Klong Luek ... I also gopt the data abotu Dept of Railways when they had to take charge on the Cambodian railway from Poi Pet to Svai Donkaeo from 1941-1946 .... after the connectiong between French Indochina railway and Thai Railway in 1939 and the Indochina Wat from 1940-41 ... Thsi also mentioned about the RSR (Royal Siamese Railway) during the Indochina Wat as well as WWII ...

[ncr]

Hi cityrain (and Volker),

cool! Some very good information :)

Thanks a lot for that.

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Khun Wisarut,

nice link........ this Japanese guy also has a complete photo story of the Mahachai and Maeklong lines! Including the procedure where the train passes through the busy market in Samut Songkhram. And he writes a funny English. Even more hilarious than Thai-English, in my opinion.....

[DR.WANGEMANN]

Dear Khun Wisarut,

thank you very much for your amendments on my last information on some aspects on "Unknown SRT Lines".You've kindly answered my inofficial question for the Ma Lai Maen stop on the Suphan Buri Line.There is another question on the EASTERN LINE,regarding the station(?)or stop(?) Thai near the Thai-Cambodian border.In your answer you wrote that Thai was just a stop,but in my graphic timetable of the Eastern Line Thai is shown as a station with two tracks on the southern side of the running track to Poipet and one track on the northern side of the running track.Personally I could only see the then unused stop of Khlong Luk during my last visit in the area in 1998,as I wasn't allowed by Thai border police to go nearer to the border.So even if it was a station, there was no turning loop for reversing the locomotive,as all three tracks are only shown as sidings.So the question is how did the only train between Aranyaprathet and Thai operate,pulling the train from Aranyaprathet to Thai and then pushing it back to Aranyaprathet or was the locomotive already uncoupled from the train in Aranyaprathet and coupled to the rear end of the train to push the train to Thai and then pull it back to Aranyaprathet?In the working timetable of the Eastern Line there was enough time for such a manouvere in Aranyaprathet!
There is another question on the Skytrain:I've already got a complete track map of the whole system,the only thing missing is the track layout of the depot near Mo Chit,so maybe someone can help me with that track layout.I'm a collector of track maps of various underground and tramway systems from all over the world,so Krung Thep should be a part of that collection.
For the ones who are interested in railway videos I've got the information that here in Germany a very good video of the SRT does exist,a four part cab ride from Thon Buri(Bangkok Noi)to Nam Tok,including the Saphan Kwae Noi and the spectacular Saphan Tham Krasae!
That's it for the moment from Berlin
With the best greetings from
Volker

[Wisarut]

Hi Dr. Volker,


Well, that Thai stop might be the station during 1955
to 1958 and 1970 - 75 but they have been downgraded to
"Thai STOP" since 1975 and the iron bridge at across Klong
Luek to Poipet has beeen abandoned ... same thing can be
said to the iron bridge across Sungai Kolok ... SRT used to have
a rail service from BKK to Tumpat - the terminal of KTMB Jungle Line (Tumpat - Singapore) but it ceased the operation around late 1970's due to the security as well as the lack of passengers

IMHO, the locomotive might have been uncoupled
from train at Aranyaprathet (the last stop for passenger trains from BKK) andf then follow the process you
have mentioned ....


"The locomotive already uncoupled from the train
in Aranyaprathet and coupled to the rear end of the train
to push the train to Thai and then pull it back to
Aranyaprathet"

Well, the track layout of depot may be in the hand
of Engineers in Italian Thai Deveopment PCL or the engineers
at BTSC .... Need a special request to get a copy
of them since it is NOT for general release.

[bangyuk]

There is some really wonderful stuff on this thread! Having worked for SRT for two years I was allways amazed how little information on Thai railways was available and how little interest there was in railway history. Your japanese links, and Herr Volker and Khun Wisarut's expertise is wonderful for me to see!

When I worked for SRT they used to produce a small annual report / handbook. This always featured a map which included all of the "dream" routes that SRT would have liked to have built, such as the planned extension to Nakhon Phanom. Very few were built or will ever be built, imho, but the Chacaehngso / Khlong Sip Khao cut off was, as it provides an alternative to running freight trains through Bangkok, which the Thai authorities absolutely hate as they believe that trains cause traffic jams!

I know a fair bit about the Sattahip and Laem Chabang lines, and even travelled to Pattaya once on an SRT excursion. One strange thing about Laem Chabang was that the internal port railway was completed a long time before SRT got the funding to build their link line! Also, the whole Sattahip route was built to rather strange standards using US money. This included lavish provision of stations, depots, and staff housing, which presumably is still not used for its original purpose.

Bangyuk

[Wisarut]

Khun Bangyuk,

You should go to see "72 Year SRT" (publsihed by SRT in 1970) to see the proposed routes .... whcih most of them are NOT carried Out ..... even that BOOK stilll have several discrepancies whcih have to be corrected by the data from National Archives.

Definitely, the Thai Authority you mentiond must be those who get lots of kickbacks from Oil, Automobile and Highway Interrests ... Thus, they can say something like THAT!

Hey, Sattahip Route got the money from OECF (now become JBIC)
and the domestic loan .... Probbaly the US Dollars you mentioned must have been exchanged into Baht ......

Well, I got the information that the Short Cut (Klong Sip Kao - Ongkharak - Kaeng Khoi) that the signal instalation was done
in September 1997 ...

BUT I wanna know what is the EXACT date that Klong Sip Kao - Kaeng Khoi was opened for transportation... Its it opened in December 5, 1997? What else? At one time, I called SRT and get NO answer at all .... they said they just FORGET the date they have opened such a route.


However, for Mae Klong Lai (Ban Laem - Mae Klong), I have to dig the National Archieves to see the EXACT OPENNING DATE for thsi section even though I have already know that this line was Inaugurated by Crown Prince VAjiravut on Dec 29, 1904 and Opened for Public Services on Jan 4, 1905.

Oh, I shouold suggest the following 2 Japanese Websites for Railway besides the ones I have posed ....
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SilkRoad-Desert/3832
(ËÑÇö¨Ñ¡Ã·Õèÿ·. ãªé) http://member.nifty.ne.jp/hayasiyosiaki/asia/thai/rosen.htm
(ʶҹÕÊÓ¤Ñ_)


Err, I would like to know MORE about the Daewoo version of Sprinter DMUs ... Now, Daewoo is NO longer in Railway Businesss after the company has transferred the railway facilities to ROTEM (Hyunday's Subsidiary) .... thus there is No way we can get the data about APN 20 DMUs from DAEWOO Heavy Industry Website
beside the account sheet whci hstate that DAEWOO Rolligns stock is about 28 million Baht each set (3 cars) comapring with British Sprinter DMUs whcih is 22 million Baht each set (3 cars) ... but Briotish Sprinters performs very bad in the mountain section (Kaeong Khoy - Khorat, Uttaradit - Chaing Mai, Kaeng Khoi - Bua Yai) ... comapring to DAEWOO version ....


Well, I hope that the signal installation for the doubletracked
suburban lines will be done soon so they can opened the services
without risking they life to go along the new route without signals.

[DR.WANGEMANN]

Dear Khun Wisarut,

I've just checked the new question of "ncr",regarding that railway line in Buri Ram going to the Southwest from Buri Ram station.That line is also shown in a Thailand Highway Map,issued by Autoguide Co.,Ltd,32 Soi Pattanakan 52,Suan Luang,Bangkok 10250 on city maps of the Isaan,map 16, running to a place called KRADOANG MOUNTAIN.I've seen that line on my own on a trip to Ubon Ratchathani in 1998,but then it seemed to be unused with rusty rails branching off from the Buri Ram station.There are no goods trains shown in the Northeastern Line Working Timetable of the SRT running to that mentioned place.It might have been an industrial line?
That Highway Map is good for other surprises as well on unknown SRT lines:
Page 3 City map Chachoengsao shows a line running to the East from Chachoengsao Junction to a station called Padrew,just North of Talat Bobua.Was Padrew the old Chachoengsao station before the line was extended to Kabin Buri?
There are surely more still unknown branch lines (Industrial lines)in Thailand,so everyone of our railway enthusiasts should look very carefully on his trips for lines branching off from main lines to nowhere!
So that's it for the moment from Berlin from
Volker

[Wisarut]

Khun Volker

There are several industrial lines (private concessions) which most ceased to exist -> even before the concession s exipired ...
-> and sold out to used in sugar mills or so .... even though some are used as firewood lines (Soong Noen line or so) .... but those lines cease from existence after SRT has replace those steam locomotives with more powerful Diesel-Electric locomotive.

[ncr]

Khun Wisarut,

what about that track at Sung (Soong) Noen? (A district situated between Khorat and Sikhiu, btw) Can you give some more details about that?

And speaking of firewood, when did the SRT terminate regular steam engine services? (In Germany, scheduled steam traction - which was then only used for some goods trains - ended in 1977, if I remember correctly. I guess Volker will be able to confirm that.....)

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Apart from that, it seems the SRT website can now finally be accessed under its new address (www.railway.co.th).

You can do a timetable search (better, i.e. more comprehensive, in the Thai version if you can read it: http://www.railway.co.th/search/maintable.htm).

Contrary to the English search tool, this one is divided into commuter lines on the left and long-haul routes on the right. BTW, it verified the information given by Dr. Volker: the daily train to Suphanburi (no. 355) leaves Hualamphong at 16:40, arrival at 19:32.

Similarly, the map offer is better in the Thai version of this site; it has the general overview plan in Thai language once posted by Khun Wisarut, plus separate network plans for the North, Northeast, East, South, and the Maeklong Line (http://www.railway.co.th/new/map.html).

On these, the placenames are also given in English, though sometimes with horrible transliterations and/or spelling mistakes. The Khlong 19 branch-off is mentioned on the Eastern map. But two factual errors include 1. the display of the disused Hat Yai-Songkhla line and 2. the mix-up of the locations of Laem Chabang and Sattahip (= theoretical end of the Ban Phlutaluang line).

In the English section, there's just one entirely different map - showing track doubling projects (http://www.railway.co.th/httpEng/ > Profile > Railway Network).

The map from the old SRT website which I spoke of earlier in this thread seems to be gone.....

[ncr]

As already mentioned on the main page (Hat Yai monorail project -13 December 2003), this is a very good link (if you can read Thai):

(I can, but my vocabulary isn't sufficient to get much out of it.)

http://www.geocities.com/railsthai/

Lots of information about railways in Thailand (and photos from here and elsewhere).

There's yet another map of the rail network:

http://www.geocities.com/railsthai/map.htm

This one is accurate, only the Maeklong line is missing. (The seven place without rail connection marked on the map are, from top to bottom: Chiang Rai, Phayao, Nakhon Phanom, Mukdahan, Roi Et, Phang Nga and Tha Nun - towns envisioned for railway extensions, according to those old SRT plans.)

Speaking of the Maeklong Railway, this site also has the complete timetable:

http://www.geocities.com/railsthai/maeklongt.htm

[bangyuk]

Has anyone thought of putting all of this information on a map? I am tempted to do so, but would like to check to see if anyone else is doing this.

Ian

[The Enforcer!]

Originally posted by bangyuk
Has anyone thought of putting all of this information on a map? I am tempted to do so, but would like to check to see if anyone else is doing this.

Ian

This is a great idea - can anyone oblige?

I tried plotting it all on a standard Shell Highway map but found lots of gaps in the Southern end as I could not find all the names!!

The Enforcer!

[Wisarut]

Withtout turntable, Railway Dept had to rely on Triangle track to enable to move that stream lock back .. Therefore, I think oyu have myave to use the shovel to dig the tiangle track if SRT had just leave thaty triagle track alone ...


Well, Turntabke at Chaingmai Railway Station is STILL in used to turnign the Orient Express Bogey though! Some of Thai railfan has alreadyt taken a photo of Orient Express on the turntable which has to be rotated by hands ...

[The Enforcer!]

Originally posted by Wisarut
Some of Thai railfan has alreadyt taken a photo of Orient Express on the turntable which has to be rotated by hands ...
Gosh! I have seen a railway Turntable since I was a kid! We had one in my town as our station was a major junction for four lines and terminus for one.

The Enforcer!

[von Hirschhorn]

I now several still existing tri angles hidden in the bushes elsewhere, In chiang Mai I can bring as many as shovels I want, there is nothing to be found.
I know the rear bogie of the Orient Express with the open platform, is the sole user of the Chiang Mai turntable build by
Joseph Vogele from Mannheim in Germany and build in 1922.

[von Hirschhorn]

I was a bit hasty with writing the last reply, to many mistakes, here a better one.
I know several still existing triangles hidden in the bushes elsewhere in Thailand.
In Chiang Mai I can bring as many shovels as I want, there is nothing to be found and for sure not enough space for such an infrastructure, although in 1920 the area was less populated then by now.
I am well aware that the rear coach – with the half-open platform – is almost the sole user of the turntable build by Joseph Vogele from Mannheim - Germany in 1922.

[ncr]

Originally posted by von Hirschhorn
I was a bit hasty with writing the last reply, to many mistakes, here a better one. For your information, you can also edit your post afterwards if you made a mistake or wish to change the wording or add something. (There is an 'edit' button under each post.) No need to write a new message.

[von Hirschhorn]

Thanks, never old to learn!

[hamokhamok]

I asked this question some time ago and I would like to repeat it again.

I work for a railway company and am interested in getting a good map of the railways of Thailand with stations etc shown.

On in English would be the best but any would do to start me off.

Thanks in advance for your help.

[The Enforcer!]

Also where is Map Krabao?

The Enforcer!

[Wisarut]

Pa Wai, Nong Kuay, Nogn Wiwat Nong Bua and Map Krabao are just the 4th class station ... too little to bu published ...

Map Krabao is for the cement trasportation alogn with the cement factory workers ....

The limited of the space in the Commuter train sheet alsp prevent SRT to published all the names of stations and stops along commuter line. Only the Railway Announcement Books will have a complete list of stations.

[Tower 43]

Map Kabao is at Kilometer 134 between Kaeng Khoi Junction and Pha Sadet at Kilometer 138.

[The Enforcer!]

Originally posted by Wisarut
Only the Railway Announcement Books will have a complete list of stations.

Thansk guys,

What is a Railway Announcement Book?

The Enforcer!

[Wisarut]

Railway Announcement Book set is the comprehensive list of all railway for passengers as well as cargo and fuel transportation.
Some of Thai railfans have to rely on this book as as to ride the cargo train form Kaeng Khoi to Klogn Sip Kao via the cargo line.

[The Enforcer!]

Originally posted by Wisarut
Railway Announcement Book set is the comprehensive list of all railway for passengers as well as cargo and fuel transportation.
Some of Thai railfans have to rely on this book as as to ride the cargo train form Kaeng Khoi to Klogn Sip Kao via the cargo line.
Is it on-line?

The Enforcer!

[pong]

just to make this clear: on the web (I guess so?) or on old-fashioned paper: then most old-fashioned stations have a big one, with all the stations listed too and the fares to it from that station, plus distance in kms.

[Wisarut]

Go to This:

http://www.railway.co.th/images/mapT.gif

[hamokhamok]

Thanks for that. Its a start. Although I'm going to have problems with the Thai language.
There are many small stations out there and what I was looking for was a map showing all stations - in English.

In answer to pong - paper evrsion, on the internet I don't mind.

I will keep looking.

Thanks again.

[dick]

I have made a small map of Thai Railways. In november 2004, if possible, it will me published on 2Bangkok. Its an english version I have made. But not all the ex.ng. stations and stops are on the map.
Dick van der Spek

[Wisarut]

You can see the list of all Thai Railway Stations ansd Stop here:

Eastern Line:
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=3 (http://)

Northern Line (section 1)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=4 (http://)

Northern Line (section 2)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=5 (http://)

Northeastern Line (section 1)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6 (http://)

Northeastern Line (section 2)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=7 (http://)

Southern Line (section 1)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=8 (http://)

Southern Line (section 2)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9 (http://)

Southern Line (section 3)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=10 (http://)

Mae Klong Line
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=11 (http://)

[Wisarut]

Nope!

[hamokhamok]

Wisarut - Thanks for those links. English too - great. I should be able to follow them.

Dick - I look forward to seeing your english map too.

Regards to you all for the help it is appreciated.

[Tower 43]

Khun Wisarut

Greatly appreciate those links also. I made a list of all stations when I was living and traveling in Thailand but I did not get the Southern Line completed.

[dick]

Wisarut, thanks for the suggestion, its a long list. Great.
First I send the small map in. Later I intend to make a more detailed map. Maybe in two or three parts.

[The Enforcer!]

Originally posted by Wisarut
You can see the list of all Thai Railway Stations ansd Stop here:

Eastern Line:
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=3 (http://)

Northern Line (section 1)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=4 (http://)

Northern Line (section 2)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=5 (http://)

Northeastern Line (section 1)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6 (http://)

Northeastern Line (section 2)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=7 (http://)

Southern Line (section 1)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=8 (http://)

Southern Line (section 2)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9 (http://)

Southern Line (section 3)
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=10 (http://)

Mae Klong Line
www.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=11 (http://)

This is great Khun Wisarut,

One small question given that 90% of the network is single track, do we have a list of passing loops? or do all stations have them?

The Enforcer!

[Wisarut]

For the case of Passing Loop (Rang Leek in Thai), well hard to say since some stationsa DID NOT have a passing loop so as to park the inbound and outbound train at the same time ... ONLY those who are insiders or Railway Buffs would give you a good answer for such a kind of question.

[hamokhamok]

Passing Loops - yes there are passing loops on Single lines. I travelled from Bangkok to Nam Tok and back in June last and there are many loops where we passed other trains.
Some years ago there was a railway programme on TV about the above trip.
Looking at the video now the lines have changed a lot. Some of the lines are now Double although not centrally controlled yet.
Many colour light signals are in situ but not commissioned.

It will be good to see a map of the railways particularily around Bangkok.
Some trains stop at Bang Sue (I think its Bang Sue) but don't necessarily go through Bangkok and I was often wondering where does the railway go or come from to get to that point.

I expect most of you know that Thon Buri station is closed i.e. the Old station.
The State Railways of Thailand did a neat job of closing a station but not closing it.
They simply dispensed with the buildings etc at Thon Buri station and moved the name to Bangkok Noi. They then did away with the name Bangkok Noi. So in a way Bagkok Noi station closed.
Confused --- well I was when I went to get a train from what I knew was Thon Buri station only to be told that trains don't leave from there anymore. Ok but you can get your train from Thon Buri which I had known as Bangkok Noi.
Its only a few minutes up the road from the old Thon Buri and a bus will bring you from near the River station.

[hamokhamok]

Dick - I presume you'll let us know when your map is shown here.
Look forward to seeing it.
Will it show Bangkok and the surrounding area in any detail ??

[von Hirschhorn]

Originally posted by The Enforcer!
This is great Khun Wisarut,

One small question given that 90% of the network is single track, do we have a list of passing loops? or do all stations have them?

The Enforcer!

For a single branch line left, I rode the whole network and many lines more than once. All stations i.e. with a building and staff and token change system - where left by now - are double tracked or even have sidings for goodswagons. Only minor stops are sometimes single tracked, the earlier mentioned line to Nam Tok has some. For the rest take a seat and ride and see what Thailand brings you.

[dick]

Originally posted by hamokhamok
Dick - I presume you'll let us know when your map is shown here.
Look forward to seeing it.
Will it show Bangkok and the surrounding area in any detail ??

The map of Railways Thailand is a small one. So the surrounding of Bangkok is poor, but after publishing and maybe some reactions/suggestions of the members I can make a map of Bangkok and suburbs showing single/multiple track, stations and stops in past and present. First I like to renew the maps Pak Nam 1958 and tramwaymap 1950. At the moment I make a tramwaymap Bangkok appr 1930, also a Thaiversion is proposed.
The small railwaymap coming half this month.

[Tower 43]

Dick,

Great map of the Nam Tok line! Look forward to more.

[dick]

Jack,
From Nam Tok line I make also a map from situation 2004. But first I renew the map Bangkok tram 1950 , Pak Nammap and I like to finish the Trammap Bangkok 1930. Before the Nam Tok 2004 map first small Railwaymap is coming.
For the trammap I need some additional information, see also under trammap 1930.
Dick

[hamokhamok]

Where can I see the Nam Tok line map please.
Than you.

[Tower 43]

hamokhamok. Go to the main page at2bangkok.com and you can find the map there.

[DR.WANGEMANN]

Dear Khun Wisarut,

regarding the planned Thailand Railways Map I can give you some completing information about missing or omitted stops and stations.Here they are line by line:
EASTERN LINE:
BANGKOK-THAI/CAMBODIA BORDER:
Wat Khok Yan Km 68.63 Stop omitted
Khlong Luk Km 257.? Stop,line closed
CHACHOEGSAO JUNCTION-SATTAHIP:
Sattahip Km 195.90 Station,no traffic in the moment!

NORTHERN LINE:
BANGKOK-CHIANG MAI:
Nam Rit Km 493.25 Stop omitted
Tunnel name:Pang Tub Kop 120.09m
Tunnel name:Khao Phlung 362.44m
Tunnel name:Huai Mae San 130.20m
Huai Mae San Km 574.43 Stop omitted
Tunnel name:Khun Tan 1352.10m
CURVE NORTHERN LINE-EASTERN LINE:
Ho Prajae Chit Lada Km 3.29 Northern Line
Uropong Km 2.64 Eastern Line
The real distance is 0.994 Km!

NORTHEASTERN LINE:
THANON CHIRA JUNCTION-NONG KHAI:
Sa Thammakhan Km 277.50 Stop omitted
Chot Nong Kae Km 385.57 Stop omitted
Huai Hai Km 466.96 Stop omitted
Ban Dong Ruang Km 537.75 Stop omitted
Ban Kao Km 584.50 Stop omitted
Nong Song Hong Km 610.95 Stop omitted
KAENG KHOI JUNCTION-BUA YAI JUNCTION:
Jut Chom View Ti Kar Mar 153/154 Km about 153.5 Only used by Specials!
Jut Chom View Ti Rar Fhar Sang Km about 172 Only used by Specials!
Omitted due to the construction of the Pa Sak Jolasid Dam,overflooded now:
Ban Nong Bua Km 164.15 Stop
Manao Wan Km 169.00 Stop
Khok Ma Kham Phon Km 183.00 Stop

Tunnel name:Khao Pang Puoi 230.60m

KHLONG SIP KAO JUNCTION-KAENG KHOI JUNCTION:
Tunnel name:Phra Budhajai 1197.00m

SOUTHERN LINE:
BANGKOK-SUNGAI KOLOK:
Huaisua Km 158.18 Stop omitted
Nong Ta Phot Km 182.55 Stop omitted
Khao Wo Km 538.10 Station omitted!
Bang Nam Chut Km 607.47 Stop omitted
Ban Don Ri Km 627.46 Stop omitted
Tunnel name:Chong Khao 235.90m
Ban Tung Kai Km 800.63 Stop omitted
Utapao Km 925.78 Stop omitted
Khlong Rien Km 931.05 Stop omitted
Kuan Niang Km 936.24 Stop omitted
NONG PLA DUK JUNCTION-SUPHAN BURI:
Tale Bok Km 99.60 Stop omitted
NONG PLA DUK JUNCTION-NAM TOK:
Pay Jud Rot Koob Daeng Km 174.67 Stop only for multiple units!
THUNG SONG JUNCTION-KANTANG:
Khlong Deng Km 819.86 Stop omitted
Suanman Km 832.02 Stop omitted
HAT YAI JUNCTION-PADANG BESAR:
Ban Pru Km 934.68 Stop omitted
Sala Tung Song Km 945.12 Stop omitted
Kongram Km 961.14 Stop omitted
Ban Ta Kai Km 968.46 Stop omitted
And now the stations and stops for the long closed line between Hat Yai Junction and Song Khla:
HAT YAI JUNCTION Km 926.58 Station
Khao Bandai Nang Km 936.? Stop
Nam Noi Km 939.8 Stop
Kuan Hin Km 944.5 Stop
Nam Krachai Km 948.5 Stop
SONG KHLA Km 958.1 Station

Also during the next days I shall give you the necessary information on all passing loops on the lines,referring to the graphic timetables of the SRT,where of course all the information is given!
That's it for the moment from Berlin.
All the best from Volker

[The Enforcer!]

Excellent list , sir.

The Enforcer!

[Wisarut]

Hi DR. Volker,

The stations and stops you listed here are NO LONGER Exist
...

[dick]

Very good additional information,
Dick van der Spek

[ncr]

Originally posted by Wisarut
Hi DR. Volker,

The stations and stops you listed here are NO LONGER Exist
... Yes, and that is what he also said in his first sentence: "Regarding the planned Thailand Railways Map I can give you some completing information about missing or omitted stops and stations."

[DR.WANGEMANN]

Dear Khun Wisarut,

as promised I would like to give all users of this forum and especially Mr.Dick van der Spek some additional information on the planned railway map of Thailand.Of course my first information was mainly on the subject of now out of use stations and some missing stations,but I strongly believe that also the the now unused stations or former existing stations should be shown to give as much information as possible.Thanks also for the very good link on the Thai railway tunnels!
Someone asks about the passing loops on all the lines and I've tried my best to answer this complicated question by using the graphic timetables of the SRT which not only show the passing loops but also the exact position of the station buildings ,e.g.if they are right or left of the running tracks.So I have decided to include that information,too,if available.Generally I shall do a line by line station list in which all stations are shown,all mentioned stations have passing loops or are shown as STOP(wooden or sand platforms)without any passing loops.If known I shall also give the exact position of the station building,by using l for left or r for right of the running track.The general running direction is always shown.Where a ? is shown the exact position of the station building is not known(e.g.new lines)or the exact position of the STOP is not known,so amendments are mostly welcome.Let's now start with the first line:
NORTHERN LINE:
BANGKOK-CHIANG MAI:
BANGKOK-LOP BURI is double tracked!
Running direction to Chiang Mai
BANGKOK/HUALAMPONG Rail head station
? Yommaraj
l Ho Prajae Chit Lada
l Sam Sen
? Pradipat
l Bang Sue Junction
? Phohoyothin Freight Terminal
? Nikhom Rotphai Khomo Sip-et
l Bang Khen
? Thung Song Hong
l Lak Si
? Khan Keha Khomo Sip-kao
? Talatmai Don Muang
l Don Muang
? Lak Hok
r Khlong Rangsit
? Rangsit
r Khlong Nhung
l Chiang Rak
? Thammasat University
r Nava Nakhon
l Chiang Rak Noi
r Khlong Phutsa
l Bang Pa-In
l Ban Pho
l Ayutthaya
l Ban Ma
l Map Phra Chan
? Ban Don Klang
r Phra Kaeo
r Ban Phachi Junction(for the NORTHEASTERN LINE the station building
is left from the running tracks!)
? Don Yha Nang
l Nong Wiwat
? Ban Plug Rad
l Tha Rua
l Ban Mo
r Nong Don
r Ban Klap
r Ban Pa Wai
r Lop Buri
r Tha Khae
l Khok Kathiam
l Nong Tao
l Nong Sai Khao
r Ban Mi
l Huai Kaeo
? STOP Phai Yai
? STOP Rong Rien Chansen
l Chansen
? STOP Ban Khok Kwaow
r Chong Khae
l STOP Thale Wa
r Phon Thong
l Ban Takhli
l Dong Maku
l Hua Wai
l Nong Pho
r Hua Ngiu
? STOP Ban Nong Mu
l Noen Makok
? STOP Thung Nam Sum
r Khao Thong
l Nakhon Sawan
l Pak Nam Pho
l Bung Borapet
l Thap Krit
l Khlong Pla Kot
l Chumsaeng
l Wang Krang
l Bang Mun Nak
l Ho Krai
l Dong Takhop
r Taphan Hin
l Huai Ket
l Hua Dong
l Wang Krot
l Phichit
l Tha Lo
l Bang Krathum
l Mae Thiap
l Ban Mai
l Bung Phra
l Phitsanulok
l Ban Teng Nam
l Ban Tum
l Khwae Noi
l Phrom Phiram
l Nong Tom
l Ban Bung
l Ban Khon
l Phichai
l Rai Oi
r Ban Dara Junction
r Tha Sak
r Tron
r Wang Kaphi
r Uttaradit
r Sila At
r Tha Sao
l Ban Dan
l Pang Ton Phung
? STOP Khao Phlung
l Huai Rai
r Mae Phuak
r Den Chai
l Pak Pan
r Kaeng Luang
? STOP Huai Mae Ta
l Ban Pin
r Pha Khan
r STOP Pha Kho
l Pang Puai
r Mae Chang
l Mae Mo
? STOP Huai Rak Mai
l Sala Pha Lat
l Mae Tha
l Nong Wua Thao
r Nakhon Lampang
l Bo Haeo
l Hang Chat
r Pang Muang
? STOP Huai Rian
r Mae Tan Noi
l Khun Tan
l Tha Chomphu
l Sala Mae Tha
l Nong Lom
l Lam Phun
l Pa Sao
l Saraphi
CHIANG MAI Rail head station

BAN DARA JUNCTION-SAWANKHALOK:
Running direction Sawankhalok
l Ban Dara Junction
? STOP Khlong Lamung
r Khlong Maphlap
? STOP Wat Khlong Pu
r Khlong Yang
? STOP Nong Riang
r SAWANKHALOK

NORTHEASTERN LINE:
BAN PHACHI JUNCTION-UBON RATCHATHANI:
Running direction Ubon Ratchathani
Ban Phachi Junction-Map Kabao is double tracked!
l BAN PHACHI JUNCTION
l Nong Kuai
r Nong Saeng
r Nong Sida
l Ban Pokpaek
l Saraburi
l Nong Bua
l Kaeng Khoi Junction
r Thap Kwang
? Map Kabao
l Pha Sadet
l Hin Lap
r Muak Lek
r Klang Dong
r Pang Asok
r Bandai Ma
? Pak Chong
l Sap Muang
l Chanthuk
l Khlong Khanan Chit
r Khlong Phai
r Lat Bua Khao
r Ban Mai Samrong
r Nong Nam Khun
r Sikhiu
r Khok Sa-at
r Sung Noen
l Kut Chik
r Khok Kruat
l Phu Khao Lat
l Nakhon Ratchasima
l Thanon Chira Junction
? STOP Ban Phalai
l Ban Phanao
? STOP Ban Phra Phut
l Tha Chang
l Nong Manoram
l Chakkarat
l Ban Hin Khon
l Hin Dat
l Huai Thalaeng
l Nong Kathing
l Lam Plai Mat
l Thamen Chai
r Ban Salaeng Phan
r Ban Nong Tat
r Buri Ram
? STOP Ban Tako
l Huai Rat
l Krasang
l Nong Teng
? Lam Chi
r Surin
r Bu Rusi
r Muang Thi
l Kadon Kho
r Sikhoraphum
r Ban Kalan
l Samrong Thap
r Huai Thap Than
? STOP Nong Khaen
l Uthomphon Phisai
? STOP Ban Tae
r Ban Niam
l Si Sa Ket
l Nong Waeng
l Ban Khlo
r Kanthararom
? STOP Ban Nong Phung
r Huai Khayung
? STOP Ban Thon
l Bung Wai
r UBON RATCHATHANI

KAENG KHOI JUNCTION-BUA YAI JUNCTION:
Running direction Bua Yai Junction
l KAENG KHOI JUNCTION
l Ban Chong Tai
? STOP Khao Khok
? STOP Khao Hin Dat
r Hin Son
? STOP Khao Sung
? STOP Jut Chom View Ti Kar Mar 153/154
r Kaeng Sue Ten
? STOP Pa Sak Jolasid Dam
? STOP Jut Chom View Ti Ror Fhar Sang
l Khok Salung
l Saranarai
? STOP Khao Yai Ka Ta
? STOP Talat Nam Narai
r Lam Narai
? STOP Ban Ko Rang
r Phaendin Thong
? STOP Ban Chongko
l Khok Khli
l Chong Samran
r Ban Wa Tabaek(Thep Sa Thit)
r Huai Yai Chiu
? STOP Ban Pak Chap
r Bamnet Narong
? STOP Ban Kloy
? STOP Wang Ka-am
? STOP Non Khro
l Chatturat
r Nong Chim
? STOP Ban Ta Noen
? STOP Ban Nong Kham
l Ban Luam
? STOP Ban Khok Krabuang
? STOP Ban Nong Pru Pong
r Nong Phluang
? STOP Ban Kraphi
? STOP Ban Kao Ngiu
? STOP Ban Sa Khrok
? STOP Ban Sok Rang
l BUA YAI JUNCTION

THANON CHIRA JUNCTION-TALAT NONG KAI:
Running direction Talat Nong Khai
l THANON CHIRA JUNCTION
l Ban Kho
? STOP Ban Kradon
? STOP Ban Nong Gunngar
l Nung Maeo
r Non Sung
l Ban Dong Phlong
r Ban Makha
? STOP Noen Thua Paep
l Phon Songkhram
l Ban Don Yai
l Muang Khong
? STOP Ban Rai
r Non Thong Lang
? STOP Huai Rahat
l Bua Yai Junction
? STOP Noen Sawat
l Nong Bua Lai
? STOP Sa La Din
r Nong Makhua
r Muang Phon
r Ban Han
r Ban Phai
l Ban Haet
? STOP Nong Mek
l Tha Phra
? STOP Kut Kwang
r Khon Kaen
r Samran
l Non Phayom
? STOP Ban Wang Chai
l Nam Phong
l Huai Sieo
l Khao Suan Kwang
l Non Sa-at
l Huai Koeng
r Kumphawapi
l Huai Sam Phat
l Nong Takai
l Kham Kling
l Nong Khon Kwang
l Udon Thani
? STOP Nong Tum
? STOP Na Phu
? STOP Khok Chang
? STOP Nong Bua Ngoen
r Na Tha
r Nong Khai
l TALAT NONG KHAI

EASTERN LINE:
BANGKOK-THAI:
Hua Mak-Chachoengsao Junction is double tracked!
Running direction Thai
BANGKOK/HUALAMPONG Rail head station
? STOP Yommaraj
? STOP Uropong
? STOP Phayathai
? STOP Rachaprarop
r Makkasan
? STOP Asoke
r Khlong Tan
? STOP Sukhumvit 71
l Hua Mak
l Ban Thap Chang
? Soi Wat Lan Boon
r Lat Krabang
? Phra Chom Klao
r Hua Takhe
? Inland Container Depot
r Khlong Luang Phaeng
l Khlong Udom Chonlajorn
l Preng
? Khlong Kwaeng Klan
l Khlong Bang Phra
? Bang Toey
r Chachoengsao Junction
? STOP Bang Kwan
? STOP Phrong Akat
l Bang Nam Prieo
r Khlong Sip Kao Junction
l Yothaka
r Ban Sang
r STOP Nong Nam Khao
l Ban Pak Phli
r Prachin Buri
? STOP Nong Krachap
r Khok Makok
l Prachanthakham
? STOP Nong Saeng
r Ban Dong Bang
r Ban Phrom Saeng
? STOP Ban Ko Daeng
l Kabin Buri
l STOP Kabin Kao
r Nong Sang
? STOP Phra Prong
r Ban Kaeng
r Sala Lamduan
r Sa Kaeo
? STOP Tha Kasem
? STOP Huai Chot
r Watthana Nakhon
? STOP Ban Pong Kom
? STOP Huai Dua
r Aranyaprathet
l STOP Khlong Luk
l STOP THAI

CHACHOENGSAO JUNCTION-SATTAHIP:
Running direction Sattahip
r Chachoengsao Junction
? STOP Paet Riu
l Don Si Non
l Phan Thong
r Chon Buri
? STOP Saen Sook
r Bang Phra
? STOP Khao Phrabat
r Si Racha Junction
r Bang Lamung
r Pattaya
? STOP Pattaya Tai
r Ban Huai Kwang
l STOP Yanasangwararam
l STOP Suan Nong Nuch
r Kao Chi Junction
l Ban Plu Ta Luang
l SATTAHIP

SI RACHA JUNCTION-LAEM CHABANG:
Running directin Laem Chabang
r SI RACHA JUNCTION
? LAEM CHABANG

KAO CHI CHAN JUNCTION-MAP TA PUT:
Running direction Map Ta Put
r KAO CHI CHAN JUNCTION
? Ban Chang
? MAP TA PUT

KHLONG SIP KAO JUNCTION-KAENG KHOI JUNCTION:
Running direction Kaeng Khoi Junction
r KHLONG SIP KAO JUNCTION
? Ongkharak
? Wihan Daeng
r Bu Yai
l KAENG KHOI JUNCTION

MAKKASAN-MAE NAM:BANG CHAK:
Running direction Mae Nam:Bang Chak
l Makkasan
? Mae Nam
? Tha Rua Mai
? MAE NAM:BANG CHAK

That should be enough for today,the SOUTHERN LINE with all branches and the MAE KLONG LINE will follow within the next days,as soon as my rare time permits.
All the best from cool Berlin to hot Krung Thep from

Volker

[DR.WANGEMANN]

Dear Khun Wisarut,

as promised yesterday I shall send the missing links of the SRT lines today.Here is the SOUTHERN LINE with all it's branches:
SOUTHERN LINE:
BANGKOK/HUALAMPONG-SUNGAI KOLOK:
Running direction Sungai Kolok
Bangkok/Hualampong-Nakhon Pathom is double tracked!
BANGKOK/HUALAMPONG Rail head station
? Yommaraj
l Ho Prajae Chit Lada
l Sam Sen
? Pradipat
l Bang Sue Junction
? Sor Tor Lor 10+375
? Bang Son
l Bang Bamru
r Taling Chan Junction
r Ban Chim Phli
? STOP Phuttamonthon Sai 2
r Sala Thammasop
r Sala Ya
r Wat Suwan
r Khlong Maha Sawat
r Wat Ngiu Rai
r Nakhon Chaisi
l Tha Chalaep
l Ton Somrong
l Nakhon Pathom
l STOP Sanam Chandra Palace
r Phrong Madua
l Khlong Ban Tan
r Nong Pla Duk Junction
r Ban Pong
r Nakhon Chum
r Khlong Ta Khot
r Photharam
r Chet Samian
r Ban Kluai
r STOP Saphan Rachaburi
r Rachaburi
l Ban Khu Bua
r Bo Takhro
? STOP Ban Pa Kai
l Pak Tho
? STOP Huai Rong
r Bang Khem
r Khao Yoi
r Nong Pla Lai
r Bang Chak
r Phetchaburi
r Khao Thamon
r Nong Mai Luang
r Nong Chok
l Nong Sala
r Ban Cha-am
l Huai Sai Nua
r Huai Sai Tai
l Hua Hin
r Nong Kae
? STOP Suan Soan Pradipat
r Khao Tao
r Wang Phong
r Pran Buri
? STOP Huai Khwang
r Nong Khang
r Sam Roi Yot
r Sang Krathai
l Kui Buri
l Bo Nok
r Thung Mamao
l Khan Kradai
l Prachuap Khiri Khan
l Nong Hin
? STOP Whagor
l Wang Duan
l Huai Yang
l Thung Pradu
l Thap Sakae
r Don Sai
? STOP Khok Ta Hom
l Ban Krut
? STOP Nong Mongkhon
l Na Pak Khuang
l Bang Saphan Yai
? STOP Hin Gong
r Cha Muang
l Bang Saphan Noi
l Huai Sak
? STOP Ban Sai Thong
r Khao Chaiyarat
r Map Ammarit
? STOP Ban Sap Somboon
l Khlong Wang Chang
r Pathiu
? Ban Khok Ma
l Saphli
? STOP Nong Nian
r Na Cha-ang
l Chumphon
l Saeng Daet
r Thung Kha
l Wisai
? STOP Ban Khron
r Sawi
l Khao Suan Thurian
? STOP Khao Pip
r Pak Tako
? STOP Tha Thong
r Khuan Hin Mui
l Lang Suan
r Khlong Khanan
? STOP Hua Mat
l Lamae
r Ban Duat
l Khan Thuli
r Don Thup
l Tha Chana
? STOP Ban Ko Muk
r Khao Phanom Baek
l Chaiya
r Tha Chang
? STOP Khlong Khut
r Khlong Sai
l Maluan
l Ban Thung Pho Junction
l Surat Thani
r Khao Hua Khwai
l STOP Bo Krang
r Khao Phlu
? STOP Khlong Ya
l Ban Na
r Huai Mut
l Na San
r Khlong Prap
r Phruphi
? STOP Khlong Sun
r Ban Song
l Ban Phru Krachaeng
l Huai Prik
r Krabiat
r Tranpho
l Chawang
r Khlong Chan Di
r Lak Chang
? STOP Khlong Kui
r Na Bon
l Khlong Chang
? STOP Ban Ko Pring
r Thung Song Junction
l Sai Yai
l Chong Khao
l Ron Phibun
l Khao Chum Thong Junction
l Khuan Nong Khwa
r Ban Tun
r Cha-uat
? STOP Nong Jik
l Ban Nang Long
? STOP Ban Trok Kea
l Ban Khon Hat
? STOP Ban Suntara
l Pak Khlong
? STOP Ban Makok Tai
? STOP Chai Buri
r Phattalung
? STOP Na Pru
? STOP Ban Khai Thai
r Ban Ton Don
? STOP Ban Huai Tan
r Khao Chaison
r Bang Kaeo
? STOP Khuan Phra
l Khuan Khiam
? STOP Han Kong
l Hanthao
? STOP Wat Khuan Phayer
l Khok Sai
l Khuan Niang
l Ban Ko Yai
l Bang Klam
r Ban Din Lan
l Hat Yai Junction
l Na Muang
r Wat Khuan Mit
r Chana
l Tha Maenglak
r Ko Saba
l Thaepha
l Ta Paet
? STOP Ban Nikhom
l Pattani(Khok Pho)
l Na Pradu
? Wat Chang Hai
l STOP Pa Rai
r Khlong Sai
r Tase
? STOP Ban Yupo
r Yala
r Mai Kaen
? STOP Ban Patae
l Raman
r Balo
r Ruso
? STOP Ban Salo Bukit Yuaerae
r Lalo
l Marubo
? STOP Kadae
l Tanyong Mat
l Pa Phai
r Cho Ai Rang
r Bukit
? STOP Ai Satia
r To Deng
l Sungai Padi
? STOP Khok Saya
r SUNGAI KOLOK

THONBURI-TALING CHAN JUNCTION:
Running direction Taling Chan Junction
? THONBURI
r STOP Jaran Sanitwong
r STOP Bang Ramat
r TALING CHAN JUNCTION

NONG PLA DUK JUNCTION-MA LAI MAEN:
Running direction Ma Lai Maen
r NONG PLA DUK JUNCTION
? STOP Yang Prasat
? STOP Don Khun Wise
? STOP Kamphaeng Saen
? STOP Thung Bua
? STOP Nong Fak
? STOP Rong Rien Kanbin
? STOP Nong Wan Priang
? Sri Samran
? STOP Don Sa-nguan
? STOP Don Thong
? STOP Nong Phakchi
? STOP Ban Makham Lom
? STOP Sakae Yang Mu
l Suphan Buri
? STOP MA LAI MAEN

NONG PLA DUK JUNCTION-NAM TOK SAI YOK NOI:
Running direction Nam Tok Sai Yok Noi
r NONG PLA DUK JUNCTION
l STOP Thanon Songpol
l Sa Kosi Narai
l Luk Kae
l Tha Rua Noi
r STOP Ban Nong Sua
l STOP Thung Tong
l STOP Pak Phraek
l Kanchanaburi
r STOP Saphan Kwae Yai
r STOP Khao Pun
r STOP Vittayalai Kaset
r STOP Wang Lan
l STOP Na Kann
r Wang Yen
l STOP Wang Takhian
l STOP Ban Pong Sieo
r STOP Ban Kao
L STOP Tha Ta Sua
l Tha Kilen
l STOP Wang Sing
l STOP Lumsum
l STOP Saphan Tam Krasae
l STOP Pay Jud Rot Koob Daeng
r Wang Pho
l STOP Ko Maha Mongkol
l STOP Chong Khaep
l STOP Wang Yai
r STOP Ban Pu Pong
r Nam Tok
? STOP NAM TOK SAI YOK NOI

BAN THUNG PHO JUNCTION-KHIRI RATTHANIKHOM:
Running direction Khiri Ratthanikhom
r BAN THUNG PHO JUNCTION
? STOP Ban Don Rak
? STOP Ban Thung Luang
? STOP Ban Khanai
? STOP Ban Don Riap
? STOP Khlong Yan
? STOP Khao Lung
? STOP Ban Yang
l KHIRI RATTHANIKHOM


THUNG SONG JUNCTION-KANTANG:
Running direction Kantang
r THUNG SONG JUNCTION
r Thi Wang
? STOP Ban Poon
r STOP Kapang
l STOP Khuan Mao
? STOP Khlong Muan
? STOP Yang Yuan
r Huai Yot
? STOP Lam Phura
l Trang
? STOP Na Po
? STOP Phru Yai
? STOP Ban Pa Ko
l KANTANG

KHAO CHUM THONG JUNCTION-NAKHON SI THAMMARAT:
Running direction Nakhon Si Thammarat
l KHAO CHUM THONG JUNCTION
? STOP Ban Koei Chen
r Ban Thung Lo
l Khok Khram
? STOP Ban Huai Yoong
? STOP Ban Tha Chang
? STOP Wang Wua
? STOP Mamuang Son Ton
r NAKHON SI THAMMARAT

HAT YAI JUNCTION-PADANG BESAR:
Running direction Padang Besar
l HAT YAI JUNCTION
l Khlong Ngae
? STOP Sor Tor Lor 973.316
r PADANG BESAR

And now the last part of the SRT lines,the MAE KLONG LINE.

MAE KLONG LINE:
Running direction Mahachai and Mae Klong
r WONGWIAN YAI
r STOP Talat Phlu
? STOP Khlong Ton Sai
? STOP Chom Tong
? STOP Wat Sai
l Wat Sing
? STOP Bang Bon
? STOP Khan Keha
? STOP Rang Sakae
r Rang Pho
? STOP Sam Yaek
l STOP Phrom Daen
? STOP Thung Si Thong
r Bang Nam Jued
r Khok Khwai
? STOP Ban Khom
? STOP Khlong Chak
? MAHACHAI

? BAN LAEM
? STOP Tha Chalom
? STOP Ban Chi Phakhao
? STOP Khlong Nok Lek
? STOP Bang Si Kot
? STOP Bang Krachao
? STOP Ban Bo
? STOP Bang Thorat
? STOP Ban Ka Long
? STOP Ban Na Khwang
? STOP Ban Na Khok
? STOP Ket Muang
? STOP Lad Yai
? STOP Bang Krabun
r MAE KLONG

I do hope that this given information will help to answer a lot of questions about passing loops and to improve the planned map.It's quite clear that this map must be done in several parts,e.g.NORTH,CENTRAL,SOUTH and DEEP SOUTH and it will surely take quite a long time before it will be published.Nevertheless I still have another dream on a Thailand Railways Map,if it will be possible to draw a complete track map of all lines?Track maps in that kind are published for different underground systems all over the world,e.g Berlin,London,Paris,Stockholm and New York but also for the whole of Great Britain,in which country the railway network is much bigger than in Thailand.Surely it will take a lot of help from railway entthusiasts all over Thailand to draw sketches with the whole track layout,e.g. especially on bigger stations like all the junctions or freight terminals,but what is done for the U.K. could be done for Thailand,too,I suppose?The track maps are here published by the Quail Map Company in the U.K.,so anyone who's interested in stuff like that should send me an E-Mail to my address to get more information.I shall return back with some questions in my next mail.All the best from

Volker

[dick]

Dear mr. Wisarut,
The map take in at a glance how railways are scattered over Thailand. Maybe some members will be dissapointed this is not a trackmap. Dependent to scale and projection, map in full color or black/white, all this is the condition for what is given, more or less with a lot of details or not. I only tried to show, besides the railwaynet nowadays, to give some information from the past.
If you discovered unevenness, please inform me so I can improve some.
The spelling/translation of Thai names of cities, bifurcations or stations is difficult and mostly arbitrary.
For a more detailed map we have to choose for a map in parts.
Rest to say that this map (in dutch) belongs as an illustration to an article about Bangkok traffic and a small history about Thai Railway (will be published spring 2005 in a dutch railfanmagazin)

[Wisarut]

Khun Dick,

The list of spelling correction may be too long to put in here ... Same can be said to the Chitladda bifurcation (or Chitladda Triangle), Makkasan (bifurcation - depot and maintainace center) Ban Phachee Junction, Bang Sue Junction (with depot and maintianance center), Hat Yai Junction (with depot and maintainance center), Thung Song Junction (with depot and maintianace center) , Thonburi depot and maintainance center near Arun Amarin Bridge (a bridge across Bangkok Noy canal) and so on.

[Wisarut]

Uncle volker,

For the case of Sor Tor Lor 10+375 -> it has become "Bangson Stop". On the other hand, Bangson Station (the place where Bangson market is) are GONE after Rama 7 Bridge has become a reality and the double track from Bangsue to Nakhon Pathom has just opened on October 9, 2004 - after rehabilitating the old worn out track.

For the case of Sor Tor Lor 973.316, it is the place where all the passenger MUST disembark for immigration process before crossing the border and then going back to the train again at Padang Besar which you have known that it is Malaysian station.

Pa Phai Station (station nect to Tanyong Mas station - the station nearest to Narathiwat) - has been downgraded to Pa Phai stop and those PULO and BRN has torched Pa Phai station into a pile of ash.

[von Hirschhorn]

Originally posted by DR.WANGEMANN

I still have another dream on a Thailand Railways Map,if it will be possible to draw a complete track map of all lines?Surely it will take a lot of help from railway entthusiasts all over Thailand to draw sketches with the whole track layout,e.g. especially on bigger stations like all the junctions or freight terminals,but what is done for the U.K. could be done for Thailand,too,I suppose?
Volker [/B]

Oh yes, I have the same dream, starting in Chiang Mai and step by step go down to Bangkok. Not an easy task but foremost time consuming. However, an other good year from now and I am not longer working and still have in mind to spent more time in Thailand.
If we can coordinate an enterprise like this, I'll draw the sketches of the Northern Line. On the other hand somewhere in the headquarters there must be a complete lay out of all the lines and sidings, or am I a little bit to optimistic?
Once I saw a instruction book, made by a Japanese railway consultent, with many detailed pictures about stations and all sorts of infrastructure along the lines. A nice start anyway.

[ncr]

Originally posted by Wisarut
For the case of Sor Tor Lor 10+375 -> it has become "Bangson Stop". For the case of Sor Tor Lor 973.316, it is the place where all the passenger MUST disembark for immigration process before crossing the border and then going back to the train again at Padang Besar which you have known that it is Malaysian station. By the way, what is the meaning of that Thai abbreviation "Sor Tor Lor"?

[Wisarut]

Sor Thor Lor ... Sao ThoraLek -> Telegraph Pole

[dick]

Originally posted by Wisarut
Khun Dick,

The list of spelling correction may be too long to put in here ... Same can be said to the Chitladda bifurcation (or Chitladda Triangle), Makkasan (bifurcation - depot and maintainace center) Ban Phachee Junction, Bang Sue Junction (with depot and maintianance center), Hat Yai Junction (with depot and maintainance center), Thung Song Junction (with depot and maintianace center) , Thonburi depot and maintainance center near Arun Amarin Bridge (a bridge across Bangkok Noy canal) and so on.

Mr. Wisarut,
I think that a more detailed map is necessary when I mentioned the list above. In the map of Thai Railways I have made is, in a cartographic way, no possibility, if we like to keep the map full of clearity.
First I like to finish the Bangkok map 2nd version and, if possible, to make a more detailed map of the Ban Nua Thong Railway, depending the sources I have.
About spelling, is it really wrong or is it a case of interpretetion. Watch dutch, english, american, french or....thai maps, there always different in spelling their thai geografical names!
I asked before Hua Lampong or Hualampong, Bang Na or Bangna.

[Wisarut]

For Bang Buathong Railway Map, I've already scanned but you should supply me your emial address so that I could delvier to you.

[ncr]

Interesting.... why would they name a stop/station after a telegraph pole??? If you cannot find a proper name, why not just say "km (or in Thai: kor mor) 973.316", for example?

By the way, what is it about this funny notation of the rail kilometers "10+375" as opposed to "10.375"?

(While I am very interested in railways, I am still not a complete freak so as to know something like that.......)

[The Enforcer!]

Originally posted by ncr
Interesting.... why would they name a stop/station after a telegraph pole???
Why not?

In UK most bus stops are named after Pubs!

The Enforcer!

[von Hirschhorn]

[i]Originally posted by ncr

By the way, what is it about this funny notation of the rail kilometers "10+375" as opposed to "10.375"?


Kilometer 10 plus 375 meters, easy reading that's why.
Beside some staff members, who looks at the kilometer signs?
I do and not only in archiving my pictures. (if possible)
Riding the night train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai ore around,
the first pole in the morning and you know where you are and even better if there is a delay.

[DR.WANGEMANN]

Dear Mr.von Hirschhorn,

only today I find the time to answer your last reply on my given information.It's fine to hear that someone shares the same dream with me to have a complete track map of the SRT in later years.The main problem for nearly everyone of us is,that one not lives in Thailand and is just there for a few weeks holiday.So it's absolutely impossible for someone who isn't a permanent resident in Thailand to draw a map like this without the help of our good Thai friends.
Of course I think that in the SRT headquarters complete track layout for all Thai stations do exist,but who knows anyone in the SRT headquarters in a higher rank position,which will allow him to photocopy the sheets?This would surely solve a lot of time problems because otherwise someone has to do the complete line during the daytime and check all the major stations.The minor stations in most cases are quite simple in general and I've got the graphic simplified track layout for nearly all lines,but the main problem are the bigger stations.If you're interested in I'll be able to send you all the simplified track layouts,so just write an E-Mail to my E-Mail address which reads as:dr.wangemann @t-online.de.
In general I do believe that it should be possible to do such a track map,as I do believe that 90% of network is very easy to draw,but the complex situation of e.g.Hualampong,Bang Sue Junction,Phahonyothin Freight Terminal,Makkasan,all the goods only sections,Phitsanulok,Uttaradit,Sila At,Nakhon Lampang,Chiang Mai,Nakhon Ratchasima,Udon Thani,Ubon Ratchathani,Surat Thani,Thung Song Junction,Nakhon Si Thammarat,Hat Yai Junction,Padang Besar to mention just a few surely needs a check at the mentioned places.
And there are some other problems that in some of the stations you have some track connections running to somewhere in the distance of which you don't know to which place they're exactly running to,e.g a quarry,a cement fabrication plant,an oil depot?I've got all the necessary goods timetables,but I don't know all the lines so I don't know why goods trains are running to places like Ban Chong Tai,Bang Lamung,Map Ta Put,Ban Pokpaek,Hin Lap,Preng,Map Kabao,Pak Nam Pho,Na San,Ban Song,Thi Wang,which important goods facilities are really there?
Also I'm interested in that mentioned article from Mr.Dick van Spek on Bangkok public transportation and the SRT,to be published in a Dutch railway magazine in January.As I'm able to read Dutch it would be very nice if Mr.van Spek could send a copy to me.
Regarding the map of GREATER BANGKOK by Mr.van Spek it would be fine if he would include in the next revised edition the following railway stops,too:NORTHERN LINE:Ho Prajae Chit Lada,Pra Dipat,Nikhom Rotphai Khomo Sip-et,Khan Keha Khomo Sip-kao,Talatmai Don Muang and Lak Hok.EASTERN LINE:Uropong,Phayathai,Rachaprarop,Asoke and Sukhumvit 71,
Mae Nam,Tha Rua Mai and Mae Nam(Bang Chak)on the goods line,SOUTHERN LINE:Jaran Sanitwong,Bang Ramat and on the MAE KLONG LINE:Khlong Ton Sai and Chom Tong.Most of these mentioned stations are also missing in the widely sold Nelles Map of Bangkok,although I've written to the publisher already some years ago and told them about the missing stations,but it seems that a lot of those cartography people in the publishing houses are today in general are not interested to publish an accurate map than to earn a lot of money very quick!
Also it would be fine if someone could publish a small leaflet in Roman characters with all the complete SRT timetables,because the main problem is that a lot of the Internet timetables shown are completely out of date and as Khun Wisarut wrote just recently the webmaster of the SRT is too lazy to publish a complete English version of the timetable.Not everyone of the people visiting Thailand is able to read Thai and even the published Thai SRT-timetables are quite often out of date,but you can't complain about the fact that more people("Farangs")should use the SRT and then do not give the necessary information to them which trains are really running in service.Another example to provide the Falangs with a better information, first at Hualampong ,should be a shown train formation schedule somewhere on the station,which would allow the people to find their car much easier and quicker.It's not the fact that a train formation does not exist for the SRT trains(it does!),but it seems to me that the whole thing is treated as a kind of secret to the users.
It would be absolutely great if someone of the SRT could provide someone of the 2.bangkok forum users,who's able to translate working timetables from Thai into English,with the newest timetables always,as soon as they are published.
That's it for the moment,I do hope that I've given to you a lot of munition for discussions.
Looking forward to receive reactions is

Volker

[dick]

Dr. dr. Wangemann,
Thanks for the additional information which I will put in the maps. Track maps, a lot of work. Maybe better to start with some interesting stations/yards? It's also a problem how I've got the sources for a period of time on the table in Nederland?

[Wisarut]

Khun Volker, Khun Dick,

Well, the track maps for some of the ofllowign stations are considred "secret" that requires permission form SRT Governor to access even though we will do the best to tap the data.

For the case of Padang besar, it belongs to KTMB, so better contact with KTMB Railfan at
http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/forum
for this matter.

[Wisarut]

Well, Nowaday, the SRT Railway Schedule Announcement for International Routes has become "Restricted Data" -
Unauthorized people NOT ALLOWED to search through that
kind of Railway Schedule Announcement. ONLY those who are dealing such trains or higher echelons would be authorized to accessinto such restrict data.

Now, For langkawi Express (KTMB 7/8), it is appeared on SRT Schedule as "Special 953/954 - Hatyai <-> KL".

BTW, Now, Cargo 703/704 has been Shortened to Sugei Golok due to to the insurgency - Railway Barrier installed at the Bridge Across Golok so it is now impossible to go across Golok by train efen though you have riden the cargo train.

[DR.WANGEMANN]

Dear Khun Wisarut,

thanks again for the lot of information given again to me,especially for your kind translation of my questions into Thai for the rotfaithai forum and also your kind answer on my request on the KTM forum.
It's really curious to see how history returns,we do had these "Secret Trains"and even "Secret Stations"which were not shown in published timetables and/or published maps during the old GDR times.I always thought that history never returns,but it seems that I'm a real fool.We had an "Railway Atlas of the GDR"which was top secret to the public during the communist days here and I never exspected those days to return in Thailand nowadays!
EXP 7/8 (mentioned with these numbers too in the new SRT timetable in Thai,to be seen on the very good rotfaithai webpage!)is now a secret train to the public,no times are given to the public by the SRT!Who should use a train(Langkawi Express)when even the ticket clerks are not allowed to talk about that train and I don't know if even the times of the train are shown at Hat Yai Junction?Curiosly these trains are shown as SPEC 953/954 in the Southern Line working timetables,as you mentioned.The departure for 953 is 14.50 from Hat Yai Junction,to arrive at Padang Besar at 15.40,bound for Kuala Lumpur,(also shown with the same time for Hat Yai Junction at the rotfaithai timetable for the Southern Line)and train 954 is shown with departure at Padang Besar at 09.25 and arrival at 10.15 at Hat Yai Junction,which has become 11.15 referring to the published rotfaithai timetable,no departure given for Padang Besar.Another curious thing is the now given arrival at Padang Besar for EXP 7 in the rotfaithai timetable at 17.50,which means 3 hours for the short distance between Hat Yai Junction and Padang Besar,I suppose it's just a misprinting?
For goods trains 703(arrival at Sungai Kolok at 17.18)and 704(departure at Sungai Kolok at 06.45)it's sure that the Thai army or Thai border police wants to secure the border in the middle of the bridge between Sungai Kolok and Rantau Panjang and to open it only for the two trains,that's understandable but what's really fascinating for me as German is that I remember those practices very well from the old gone GDR times,where at some border crossing points you had the same procedures!Some months ago I even read in a German magazine that in some areas of the Thai/Malaysia border a new wall is erected to prevent Muslim terrorists to invade into Thailand,absolutely fascinating,because surely Thailand has built a much better and bigger wall than the GDR ever had!
Let's hope that this damned terrorists will never reach their goals anywhere in the world!
Again Khun Wisarut also my thanks for the given information on the goods connections and trains.Dick and I do hope that a lot of people will join us in our planned map.
All the best from

Volker

[Wisarut]

Well For Langkawi express, it is not quite that secret ... but most people would remember this express according to KTMB code (Exp 7/8) while ONLY SRT woudl classify the same lankawi Express as "Special 953/954". On those who go around Hat Yai Junction wold know about the train across the border.

In the past, International Express to Butterworth got the code as "Express 11/12" ... bit not this route has a shared coded with KTMB as "International Express 35/36" in SRT Schedule or "Ekpres Antarabangsa 35/36" in KTMB Schedule. Thsi is the ONLY schedule whcih you see withotu asking the special permission though.

Well, the erections of border wall is the one that both Thai and Malaysia have COME up with ... to trim down smugglinbs and terrorist attacks.. ... However, it creates No Man's land - the buffer area between 2 walls. Fortunately, we have not made improvised Landmines from Motar/artillery shells or hand grenades to be applied alogn the border yet.

However, They cannot erected the wall in soem area since the border poles are either missing or broken. This already created serious troubles when Border Pole No. 1 at Ban Taba [Takbai] and Border Pole No. 70 at Taleban [Satun] are missing ... Both are the important make to be benchmarks for drawing maritime boundary lines

One thing to be remember, Padang besar uses Malaysian Standard time (GMT +8) while Hatyai uses Thailand Standard Time
(GMT +7) ... This could create discrepancy in the railway schedule.

[The Enforcer!]

Does anyone have a track/platform layout diagram of Bang Sue station?

The Enforcer!

[DR.WANGEMANN]

Dear Khun Wisarut,

today just the short question which stations you mentioned are not given open access to the public and you need a special permission of the Governor of the SRT?Which are the reasons for that,except the safety reasons,e.g beware of trains in move?I can imagine that Sattahip is maybe not open to public as the station might be in a restricted Thai Naval area,as Sattahip is the home harbour of the Thai Navy!I've never been to Sattahip so I can't even tell someone where the station really is situated,I only visited Ban Plu Ta Luang once and as you surely know there was never a passenger service between Ban Plu Ta Luang and Sattahip.
All the best from

Volker

[Wisarut]

The track maps of Major Stations REQUIRE special permission from none other than SRT Governor. Otherwise, I may have to try the special connection to access in such restrictive data.

Otherwise, you should access the old track maps kept insde the National Archieves.

[dick]

For update the small railwaymap: the given depot settlements are correct? Next weekend I will finish this map, including renewed Pak Nam maps and tram 1950 (english version).
On the renewed map tram 1950 I have not placed the old depot close to Golden Mount, I couldn't lokated the correct place.
The thai version of this map will be send first for correction, also Ban Bua Th.map. On this map I like to give the stops and stations too. I have, besides the scanned version, the 250.000 map, but stations are not given on this map.
Some dutchfan asked me: is there a possibility to give tramlinenumbers? The history about Bangkoktramline numbers seems (to me) confusing. I will try, but suggestions are welcomehow to do.

[dick]

for all members: an inspired 2005 with a lot of concerted action.

[dick]

In the north there is an extension to Laos (Vientiane)?
Are ther more plans known for connecting railroads in Laos. The line is over the bridge, what are further plans.

Another Question. The extension Nam Tok, is this built for tourism only, or are the more extensions in mind?

[The Enforcer!]

Originally posted by dick
In the north there is an extension to Laos (Vientiane)?
Are ther more plans known for connecting railroads in Laos. The line is over the bridge, what are further plans.

Another Question. The extension Nam Tok, is this built for tourism only, or are the more extensions in mind?
Your Lao questions are answered here .... http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=485

The Enforcer!

[ncr]

Originally posted by The Enforcer!
Your Lao questions are answered here .... http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=485No, the railway thread is here:

http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47

[von Hirschhorn]

Hello Dick,

The Vientiane extension is a plan only, on the bridge is short peace of rail laid during construction.
The Nam Tok extension to the waterfall it self, is as far as I know only served during the weekends by the special train, and from heard not the whole train but only a part. {DRC}
A small word in Dutch: Deze anderhalve kilometer heb ik met veel
bloed, zweet en tranen tot stand zien komen. Kijk ook even naar
de fotoreportage van Reiner.

[ncr]

http://photos.bravenet.com/633/867/102/3A021E9827.gif

By the way, on that map (in the yellow box) they completely got the math wrong. The correct figures (if the lengths in kilometers are to be trusted, that is) are:

Single track (4,030.161 km) - 96.42%
Double track (90.350 km) - 2.16%
Triple track (59.084 km) - 1.41%
TOTAL - 4,179.595 km

[GWR]

A fine collection of Dick Van Der Spek's Rail & Tramway maps of Thailand is to be found at:-
http://angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/srt/srt.shtml#dick
Dick is currently proposing a project to create a 1:250,000 map of all rails past & present in Thailand. he is currently inviting input on a suitable legend for such a map:-
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showpost.php?p=3254&postcount=22

[GWR]

This map actually includes projected lines which have already been built: namely the Kaeng-Koi to Khlong Sip Paet shortcut and the spur to Mapthaputhttp://www.thaifocus.com/travel/images/trainmap.gif

[airlana]

Here's one that I missed out on buying a few months ago
Still kicking myself I didn't buy it. :mad:

Pretty sure it was 1935 edition and the brochure had much more detail than shown here - timetables, fares, town info, etc.
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lanastar/Thai%20Railway%201935.jpg

[GWR]

One really does wonder at the mentality of a person who includes images of boomerangs to indicate the direction NORTH on a Thai language map. There's a link right at the foot of this post to the 'source'; click the links above the resultant Thai Language Rail Map for some very quirky renditions of the various lines that radiate in different directions from Bangkok.

The first map (below) shows 'kms from Bangkok' for certain stations:-

http://www.railway.co.th/images/mapT.gif

Northern:-

http://www.railway.co.th/new/north.gif

North-Eastern:-

http://www.railway.co.th/new/esan.gif

Eastern:-

http://www.railway.co.th/new/east.gif

Southern:-

http://www.railway.co.th/new/south.gif

Central:-

http://www.railway.co.th/PROFILE/map_maeklong.JPG

Link to Source:-

http://www.news.mot.go.th/motc/Portal/service/Route_SRT.asp

[GWR]

Compare & contrast with the 2003 Dick Van Der Spek Map that intends to show all past & Present SRT lines:-
http://angkor.com/2bangkok/railroad%20map.jpg

[GWR]

This thread is getting a bit graphically overloaded, so I will include a link to a contribution by Airlana in the 'SRT' Forum.
"Railway Wonders of the World" Volume 4 by Winchester & Allen, published 1936 has chapters for both Thailand and Burma.
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showpost.php?p=4421&postcount=1
Both chapters contain maps, but the texts & pictures are an absolute must for any one even remotely interested in local history & railways.

[Wisarut]

That's Awesome Information INDEED! :D

[GWR]

Thanks to Airlana for this fine discovery!

If you are interested in rail routes in and around Bangkok, I recommend you download the two following US Corps of Engineers maps in their entirety. They show, amongst other things: -


The original teminus of the Mahachai railway.
The Samut Prakarn line.
Bang Sue as out in the country.
The original Chachoengsao terminus at Paed Riw.
The Si Chon Tramway.
The Suphanburi branch under construction.


Bangkok & East: -

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/indochina_and_thailand/txu-oclc-6535632-nd47-12.jpg

Thonburi & West: -

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/indochina_and_thailand/txu-oclc-6535632-nd47-11-2nd-ed.jpg

And others: -

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/indochina_and_thailand/

[GWR]

This Ayutthaya map shows something I have never seen depicted on any map of Thailand - The Pra Phutthabat Railway. There are also other details that make the whole map worth the download: -

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/indochina_and_thailand/txu-oclc-6535632-nd47-8.jpg

[Wisarut]

The Problem is that Phra Phutthabat Railway/Bang Buathong Railway had been ou of Business since July 1942 ... and the tracks had been removed to cojnstruct Sugar railway at Wang Kraphee and Kumphawapee :)

Furthermore, there is a railway track from Nong Tao to Khao Thap Kwai ... for carrying iron ore from Khao Thub Kwai to the blase furnace of Siam Cement Co.Ltd. ... Siam Cement used to run steel mill until it was sold to Millenium Steel ...

This Nong Tao to Khao Thap Kwai used 40 lb steel rail removed from Phetburi section of the Southern line after rehabilitation.

[GWR]

The Uttaradit map also shows Wang Kraphee sugar mill and its siding South of the city, as well as the track reallignment (shown as 'under construction' North of Uttaradit Station. [Could this have been to avoid flooding?]There also seems to be a siding at Ban Dara leading down to the river. Could this be the original terminus before they continued the line to Chiang-Mai?: -

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/indochina_and_thailand/txu-oclc-6535632-ne47-11.jpg

[Wisarut]

For teh case of Detouir at Ban Dara, it is a detour bridge across Nan river .... sicne Paramin Bridge had been knocked down by bomb on April 24, 1944 ....

Paramin Bridge was opened on March 14, 1953 by ministry of Transportation who also made an open ceremony for the reconstructed Uttaradit station at the same day.

The trip to old firewood Railway line from Rai Oy to Ban Na Yang can be seen here:

http://portal.rotfaithai.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=876

[airlana]

For teh case of Detouir at Ban Dara, it is a detour bridge across Nan river .... sicne Paramin Bridge had been knocked down by bomb on April 24, 1944 ....

Must confess to not knowing much about bridges and less about trains, but one has to ask the question

Any connection????

Photo here 3rd item on page
http://www.2bangkok.com/questions.shtml

and thread
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?t=756

airlana
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[Wisarut]

http://www.2bangkok.com/images/490th.jpg
It is the Bridge over River Kwae if this has been taken in Thailand near BKK

[GWR]

From a Cornell University online collection: -

Author: Wright, Arnold
Title: Twentieth century impressions of Siam : its history, people, commerce, industries, and resources, with which is incorporated an abridged edition of Twentieth century impressions of British Malaya
Publication date: 1908

http://dlxs.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=sea;cc=sea;sid=18f02592e857972a6d7e99761487d ec9;q1=wright;rgn=full%20text;view=image;seq=1;idn o=sea363

Then, GO TO PAGE: 202 (Section 15) - 204 on the drop down menu. PAGE: 205 also has a picture of the railway cutting at Hin Lap.

You will have to scroll down below the irrigation canal map on Page 202 to find the introduction to the 'railway' section.

It's easier to read the text if you set the drop down Scale menu to 'small'. Illustrations tend to dapple at this setting, so view them with the 'normal' setting.

The whole book is fascinating and there are probably other railway and tram pictures scattered throughout.