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GWR
03-02-06, 12:00 AM
Location and the Dilemmas of Muslim Political Community in Southern Thailand

An essay for the First Inter-Dialogue Conference on Southern Thailand: 13-15 June, 2002, Pattani, Thailand

By Carlo Bonura, Jr.

Department of Political Science

University of Washington, Seattle, USA

http://mis-pattani.pn.psu.ac.th/registra/grade/temp/speech/Bonura/Bonura's%20paper%20(panel%2016).html

The maps in this essay include one from a book by Surin Pitsuwan, who went on to become Foreign Minister in the last Chuan Government. I need to read this in detail, but it does show straight away the difficulties of defining Pattani; from either a devolutionist or separatist viewpoint. The first 'Pitsuwan' map is linked, because it's too wide for pageloading in a forum. The second map is visible in the thread (below) and should give you some idea why the present Malaysian Government is not keen to take any act which might strengthen those Malaysian States which have adopted a more fundamentalist agenda. Although, by some accounts, they are not beyond taking actions which might muddy the water:-

Conclusion

http://mis-pattani.pn.psu.ac.th/registra/grade/temp/speech/Bonura/Image54.gif

The opening page of 'Islam and Malay Nationalism' includes the above hand-drawn map, without attribution or citation, that clarifies for Pitsuwan’s readers the broad geographical borders of the “Greater Patani Malay State” that he refers to in his prose and the potential consequences of separatist ambitions should they be successful in their goal of statehood. It is difficult to determine, however, if the map contains a gesture to the historical boundaries of a “Greater Patani” or one toward a nationalist vision of a future pan-Islamic state. As a historical representation the map displays curious details. The modern border of Malaysia is displayed as the “State’s” southern border. The effect of this border is to exclude the Malay state of Kelantan that Pitsuwan in his text includes as a part of a Greater Patani. Also, the inclusion of Satun does not reflect the lack of significant historical relations between Satun (or Langgu) and Pattani. In many ways, Pitsuwan’s sketch is one of a modern nationalist vision that attempts to fix the location of Muslim political community within the confines of modern geopolitical realities (such as recognition of the Malaysian border as the limit of separatist aspirations).

On the other hand, the very title of the map referring to a “Greater Patani” functions historically as it calls upon a former kingdom now eclipsed by the Thai nation-state. The vision of a “Patani Besar” (Greater Patani) can also be found in other nationalist historiographies, such as in the map found in Ahmad Fathy al-Fatani’s Pengantar Sejarah Patani [Introduction to the History of Patani] (1994). Describing the vast area of the kingdom of Raja Sakti I, the map extends south to past Kuala Trengganu (presently modern-day Malaysia) and north to the Isthmus of Kra beyond Patthalung (1994:29, see map below).

http://mis-pattani.pn.psu.ac.th/registra/grade/temp/speech/Bonura/Image55.gif

This is certainly a different historical view of a Greater Patani from the map found in Islam and Malay Nationalism. It connotes a historical importance to Patani, in fact, more vast than Pitsuwan’s geographical suggestion. Instead, it can be argued that the map at the opening of Islam and Malay Nationalism is caught between these two impulses, one that seeks to retain historical claims to legitimacy while the other articulates a nationalist strategy for self-determination separate from the Thai nation-state.

These maps, the locations of political community they infer and their use in nationalist texts demonstrates the complex relationship between location and the formation of modern political community. In the case of southern Thailand, I have argued that differences in language-use, religious education and history become part of narratives of Muslim political community through references to particular locations. This essay has outlined the position of Satun as a space that lies at the limits of nationalist conceptions of a Malay-Muslim community. The different locations of political community that commonly appear in narratives of Muslim politics act as a continuous reference to the “dilemmas” of Muslim political community. As such, the ways in which location becomes a crucial part of the language of political community reflects its unsettled boundaries and ongoing contestation to define its contents and unity.

Surin Pitsuwan (1985) Islam and Malay Nationalism: A case study of the Malay-Muslims of Southern Thailand. Bangkok: Thai Khadi Research Institute, Thammasat University

Ahmad Fathy al-Fatani (1994) Pengantar Sejarah Patani. Alor Setar, Malaysia: Pustaka Darussalam.

ncr
07-02-06, 01:24 AM
Very interesting! Just pondered about a related issue.

I wondered: Why do we never hear about unrest in Satun? Well, it only happens in Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat and two southern districts of Songkhla. But why? Satun is also a province with a Muslim majority (Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satun_province) cites a number of 67.8 %) after all.

-Could it be that the southern violence is really not that much related to a "Muslim oppression" thingy (excuse my sloppiness), but rather to other factors such as local mafia, arms + drugs gangs, local government/police corruption, poverty etc. that have been mentioned as contributing causes (and that might not be prevalent in Satun)?

-Or is it largely due to historical reasons (as exemplified by the maps dug up by GWR), as Satun never belonged to Pattani (State), and therefore its inhabitants are less inclined to foster separatist ambitions?

GWR
07-02-06, 12:00 PM
The Satun difference does seem to be a reality. I think the (entire) linked article of my previous post partially explains this phenomena. But there's more than can be said in one post here. And I'm only a part-time observer of these matters; my main motivation being to avoid becoming embroiled in the problem. Michael Gilguin's slim volume 'The Muslims of Thailand' (Translated by Michael Smithies from the original French)(IRASEC/Silkworm Books, 2002) examines this issue in sufficient detail for an introduction to the topic. This book is widely available in Thai bookshops with a limited stock of English language books.

It's also worth noting that Muslims are also in the majority in Songkhla Province; and we sometimes overlook the fact that there are some fairly lawless districts in the east of that province too.

GWR
07-02-06, 11:37 PM
It's also worth noting that Muslims are also in the majority in Songkhla Province; and we sometimes overlook the fact that there are some fairly lawless districts in the east of that province too.

Well, the following link seems to refute my majority idea. That said, Gilguin seems to think that the Thai State is deliberately underestimating the Muslim Population:-

http://www.pmhro.org/patani.htm

This is one of the more interesting sites I've found lately. Take a good look around the whole site. I note that the 'Patani Malay Human Rights Organization' are claiming that the Thai Government is tarring them with the PULO brush.

Wisarut
08-02-06, 12:52 AM
I'm not so sure if http://www.pmhro.org/patani.htm is just the new version of Pulo.org ... but Thai Intelligence Agency has said so ... :mad:

GWR
08-02-06, 10:45 AM
I note that the 'Patani Malay Human Rights Organization' are claiming that the Thai Government is tarring them with the PULO brush.
I'm not so sure if http://www.pmhro.org/patani.htm is just the new version of Pulo.org ... but Thai Intelligence Agency has said so ...

In which case, read it quick before it gets blocked.;)

ncr
08-02-06, 02:14 PM
In which case, read it quick before it gets blocked.....which has just happened, it seems.

Internet Explorer (not that I use it unless I really have to :rolleyes: ) simply gives me a "The page cannot be found The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

Whereas Firefox says something more revealing: "Not Found. The requested URL /index.htm was not found on this server. Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.police.go.th Port 80"

Interestingly, if you add an "l" (to make it "http://www.pmhro.org/index.html"), or use http://www.pmhro.org, both browsers immediately redirect to the Royal Thai Police website (http://www.police.go.th/new/)

P.S. You may have read this as a hidden advertisement for Firefox. Please delete the post and ban me. Oh no, wait --- it's completely non-commercial and free for anyone to download. And it's really good. :)

GWR
08-02-06, 02:26 PM
Still reading it in Netscape & IE.

ncr
09-02-06, 01:15 AM
hmmmm... now the "htm" address works for me again (using a different computer though). But the "html" address and homepage ("org") still redirect to the police. :confused:

By the way - a Whois search shows that the domain name is registered in Malmö, Sweden.

Domain ID: D106002818-LROR
Domain Name: PMHRO.ORG
Created On: 02-Apr-2005 08:22:48 UTC
Last Updated On: 04-Jul-2005 10:46:40 UTC
Expiration Date: 02-Apr-2006 08:22:48 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar: Register.com Inc. (R71-LROR)
Status: OK
Registrant ID: E542DE1A08CCBD20
Registrant Name: Ismail Waba
Registrant Organization: PMHRO
Registrant Street1: Ramelsvaeg
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: Malmoe
Registrant State/Province: MALMOE
Registrant Postal Code: 21369
Registrant Country: SE
Registrant Phone: +46.13227656
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: pmhro.org@gmail.com

Wisarut
09-02-06, 03:29 AM
I juist hope that the thsoe who run the new Pulo Website are nto thsoe inside the Governmetn House as many critics have pointed BIG fingers at Ai Uan Phoomtham ..... or so :p ;) :D

GWR
09-02-06, 09:51 AM
The Malmo address would fit with the fact that PULO members are known to live in Sweden.

Khun Wisaruth. Could you decode your last post a bit? I find little on the PMHRO website to take offence at, and I think most of us are capable of separating the 'chaff from the straw'. And much as I'm sure that PULO have embarked on a charm offensive, the global intelligence network has plenty of experience of creating bogus 'enemy' media. Am I wrong in thinking that your post indicates that the government is trying to outmanoevre its online foes. 'Webcop' seems to boast about its abilities, so why are some obvious sites completely blocked, and less obvious ones still up & running?

For further evidence of a possible charm offensive, you might want to take a look at this June, 2005 interview with the head of the Patani BERSATU movement, Wan Kadir Che Man. The interviewer is Dr. Farish Noor, who is a frequent contributor on all topics 'Malay' on the BBC:-

http://www.brandmalaysia.com/movabletype/archives/2005/06/dr_farish_a_noo.html

GWR
09-02-06, 10:21 AM
Unless my information is out of date (I will check), Phoomtham is the Deputy Transport Minister. Found this tiny snippet of English. 'Ai Uan' gives Phoomtham the additive 'Fatty', 'Tubby' or 'Fatso':-

http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9490000012738

How hot are the allegations circulating on the Internet now? Worawan explains the latest from Thaksin's arch-foe Ekkayuth's 'Thai Insider' website: Khun Ekkaytut has accused Phoomtham Wejchayachai (Mr. Fatso) as the one who is behind the creation of "Manusaยะcom" and "Pulo.org" websites as the way to... pave the way for Premier Thaksin to become the First President of Thailand...

Wisarut
09-02-06, 10:52 AM
Actually, Thai press have occasionally published commentaries abotu Thai-Malay issue from Dr. Farish Ahmen Noor .... eventhough Thai translation
have diluted the offensive contents so Dr. Farish Noor would not have to see His Burning Effigies in front of Malaysia Embassy in BKK and malaysia Consul at Songkla ..... in addition to the effigies of that Bersatu leader who is a professor at UM.

For that Fatso Phoomtham who is also Deputy Minister of MOTC, Better take a look at this article:

http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews.php?Link=News/Political/2005-11-23/11-22.htm

Also image here:

http://www.temppic.com/img.php?28-01-2006:636_1138429919.jpg

GWR
09-02-06, 11:17 AM
I managed to read Phoomtham's name, number & rank, but will be out of action for the next month interpreting the rest. ;)

You know, for folk who wish to appear soooo Jai-Yen, one really does wonder how anyone could get so bent out of shape about Farish Noor.The guy is a political commentator whose only real crime is to be a slightly less than exemplary inmate of Fortress Malaysia.

GWR
26-02-06, 09:31 PM
http://www.patanimerdeka.com/?Show=Patani

Its area before the Thai occupation is: 50,000 square mile. However, in the present time, there is a struggle to liberate its occupied area 16,000 square mile.
It is comprised of four main states : Patani, Yala, Naratiwat and Stol [Satun?], in addition to half of Songkhla state. The remaining area is inhibited by a lot of Thai immigrants sent by the Thai government and were settled there to put a pressure on the Patani people to compel them and increase number of Thai Buddhist in these states.


By half of Songkhla Province, they would be most obviously be talking about Thepa, Saba Yoi, Nathawee and Chana Districts. That would leave such a state in two parts. Could they perhaps have Sadao District in mind too?

ncr
27-02-06, 01:25 AM
According to this (http://www.patanimerdeka.com/?Show=Sejarah) page of the website, they also claim Hat Yai and Songkhla for themselves....? That would be more than just "half" then?

Sure Khun Wisarut will like the map below. :p :rolleyes: :D

http://www.patanimerdeka.com/images/patanimap2.jpg

It's a wonder this site is still accessible in Thailand..... By the way, another one from Sweden (http://www.whois.sc/patanimerdeka.com).

ncr
27-02-06, 01:34 AM
Compare the "Surin Pitsuwan Map" from GWR's above link:

http://mis-pattani.pn.psu.ac.th/registra/grade/temp/speech/Bonura/Image54.gif

GWR
27-02-06, 10:00 AM
Some years back, the army started building a road between Sadao District and Satun Province. It was never completed. I doubt that it was entirely a money issue. Could it be that there was a fear of making it too easy for the separatists to communicate with their as yet unconvinced Satun brethren? A bit of a wild thought perhaps, but this kind of paranoia is rampant.

It would be interesting to find out Surin Pitsuwan's current thinking on the 'Patani' issue. One would think that as a once talked about candidate for UN Sec-Gen, he might eventually wish to become a part of the long-term solution to this problem; especially since it is now fairly obvious that he can't progress much further in international and local politics.

Wisarut
27-02-06, 11:43 AM
Clearly, thsoe from Sweden want hatyai andSongkla for the followign propose

1) Connectign with Satun even though Satun was partitioned from Kedah ....
Cleary PAS inspiration AGAINST the Base of Dr. M.

2) Grab the Sin city for themselvesso they can turn women into theri concubines while males into Eunuch or so :D :eek: