View Full Version : Crucible of Construction:Map Update
jpatokal
02-01-04, 04:31 PM
2003 saw lots of rumors about construction restarted on many of the skeleton buildings rotting away in 1997. Indeed, Pratunam Center was (mostly) opened and Central World Plaza seems to be on track... but what about the rest?
Chula Hi-Tech Square on Rama IV, Chula U announced they were restarting in February 2003
Royal Rajdamri, Gannon loudly announced plans in September 2003
Any others? And BTW, are there any good sites on the skeletons in Kuala Lumpur's closet?
jpatokal
01-02-04, 07:20 PM
Nobody else has replied, so I'll have to reply to myself... with more questions! :D
It's been a while since I was in Pratunam, and looks like there's lots happening again -- maybe it's time to update the Crucible of Construction (http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/MassTransit/crucible.shtml)? Here's what I spotted...
On Petchaburi Rd, the big open space in front of the Amari Watergate is busily under construction. And I mean busily, it's 9 PM on a Sunday as I type and they're pouring concrete with floodlighting. Looks like a condo minium of some sort?
The Central Pattana hotel project, discussed last year here (http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16), seems to be under construction as well. I still think the 'hidden' location behind WTC is a little odd, but I guess it's OK for a hotel. Also see Central Pattana's page on the project (http://www.centralpattana.com/world_e.htm).
Pratunam Center (#40) had its official opening in December 2003, I went to take a second look today but it still seems rather quiet. Ground floor is mostly filled up, but above it is just shutters. 2nd floor food court is big enough to feed an army, and all the stalls are open, but where are the customers? Construction is still continuing though.
Anything else?
Yes, I'm already planning an update of the Crucible of Construction... I just have to walk the area to see what is exactly going up. I think another shopping center called Platinum Center is going up across from the Amari.
There's also another unknown building project right next door to Pratunam complex.. which seem like another shopping mall or hotel building. I have no idea what this project is.
Also keep an eye out on projects located along the subway routes.
They already resume construction on Q-house condo on Sth Sathorn Road (Rama IV intersection).. also land around Rama IX / Ratchadapisek Rd are being snapped up like hotcakes.
I am making 3D diagrams of major highrise projects currently under construction around Bangkok. The first map is of the Silom / Sathorn area:
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/silommap.JPG
Blue buildings are those under construction. Orange ones are those currently on-hold. BTW I also added Sathorn Square which is a proposed project subject of an international design competition...
Later I will add a list of floors, height of individual buildings and their expected date of completion.
Please feel free to leave any comments or suggestions. If you spot any more buildings that should be on the map please let me know.
jpatokal
19-07-04, 05:24 PM
Gorgeous! One quibble: shouldn't the Sofitel Riverside be marked orange, since it remains on hold despite being almost complete?
good pickup Jpat.. I always forgot that building is not finished and still vacant, even though the exterior seem complete :)
1. Sathorn Residence - is this the derelict building at the end of Sathorn Road? What are the plans for its completion? What is its history? Who owns it now? (If it is the derelict building it is too far from Sathorn Road--its actually just a few shophouses away from Sathorn.) The derelict building-> http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok/buildings/state/derelict.jpg
2. If you extended the map a bit to the right, there is condo development slated for the area at the end of Chan Road as well as a bridge over the river there.
3. The t-shaped building next to Thaksin Bridge has been completly gutted and is now being renovated. I don't know its name.
4. Again I am struck by how Sathorn Square will entail the removal of the Russian Embassy building. However, all Thai historians I have spoken with claim this is impossible because the building is 'protected.'
5. Next to Piman Condo is another building going up (but it is less than 20 stories). It is next to the Honda dealership on the corner. It is actually the rectangle building under the words "Piman condo" on your graphic.
6. Any word on what will be built in the old graveyeard areas along Silom? (http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok/buildings/cemetery/cemetery.shtml)
7. If you extened the map on the left side a bit you could squeeze in Siam Tribute...
The Enforcer!
20-07-04, 10:20 AM
What an excellent map - well done Pas!
One question - the two colours of blue - is Dark Blue started, and Light Blue planned?
I note that, from my home, I can see that:
>> Urbana Sathorn - the ground has been cleared and a Selling Office established but nothing else.
>> Suan Phlu Grand Terrace - the Ground clearing was completed at end of last week.
Noting Admin below, the old Russian Federation Embassy (previously I believe the Indian Department Store) looks derelict (as in 'run down') when viewed from Chong Nonsi BTS station. If it is listed or 'protected' by the FAD then no-one seems to be maintaining it! One assumes it is CPB land?
I also pass through Silom Soi 9 every day, and I note that whilst the graves to the north are all gone, on the southern plot, most are gone but the Central Citadal and what I take to be the Xavier church are still standing.
The Enforcer!
> Noting Admin below, the old Russian Federation Embassy (previously I believe the Indian Department Store) looks derelict (as in 'run down') when viewed from Chong Nonsi BTS station. If it is listed or 'protected' by the FAD then no-one seems to be maintaining it! One assumes it is CPB land?
I spoke to the Royal Crown Property Bureau about that. At first they insisted that the land was leased to the Russian Embassy. However I knew the Russian Embassy has not had the land for 7-8 years (?). Eventually they said the property had been leased to Golden Land.
They also said the building was protected as an "ancient building" and could not be disturbed.
BTW: Sathorn Princess Towers are round... and long-derelict. Maybe there should be some distinction between on-hold projects that have not been built and on-hold projects that are already partially built and abandoned.
Originally posted by admin
1. Sathorn Residence - is this the derelict building at the end of Sathorn Road? What are the plans for its completion? What is its history? Who owns it now? (If it is the derelict building it is too far from Sathorn Road--its actually just a few shophouses away from Sathorn.) The derelict building-> http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok/buildings/state/derelict.jpg
2. If you extended the map a bit to the right, there is condo development slated for the area at the end of Chan Road as well as a bridge over the river there.
3. The t-shaped building next to Thaksin Bridge has been completly gutted and is now being renovated. I don't know its name.
4. Again I am struck by how Sathorn Square will entail the removal of the Russian Embassy building. However, all Thai historians I have spoken with claim this is impossible because the building is 'protected.'
5. Next to Piman Condo is another building going up (but it is less than 20 stories). It is next to the Honda dealership on the corner. It is actually the rectangle building under the words "Piman condo" on your graphic.
6. Any word on what will be built in the old graveyeard areas along Silom? (http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok/buildings/cemetery/cemetery.shtml)
7. If you extened the map on the left side a bit you could squeeze in Siam Tribute...
1) Sathorn Residence. yep it's that building off Charoenkrung Rd about 2min walk from Taksin BTS station.
photo
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/rck2a1.JPG
another close up photo
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/rck2d.jpg
As you can see the structure is mostly finished except for the top part. I spoke to the architects at Rangsan Architecture office last year (they're the designer of State Tower). This building is called Sathorn Residence and was going to be 164m or there about. No idea what's happening with it though.
2) I have to check that out when I'm in BKK.
3) yep that's formerly Princess Tower office tower, it's being converted into residential tower called Baan Sathorn-Chaophraya.
project website:
http://www.baansathornchaophraya.com
Big endering :eek:
http://www.baansathornchaophraya.com/sathorn/location/skytrains.jpg
4) again I don't know the history behind this site but I thought the Russian embassy has been vacated many years ago? The site looks derilict with overgrown weeds etc.
5) I don't know which building that is..It's next to a glass building. I have to check it out. BTW that building is close to your office at Charter Square, can you see it from the window? :D
6) I saw an article in BKK Post recently, they were talking of commercial development, have to dig up the article.
7) yep that was what I had in mind but you know it's going to dwarf all the other buildings around it!!
Originally posted by admin
BTW: Sathorn Princess Towers are round... and long-derelict. Maybe there should be some distinction between on-hold projects that have not been built and on-hold projects that are already partially built and abandoned.
BTW Rendering of Sathorn Princess is here:
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/sathornprinc.JPG
Note, only the smaller tower is built and I think it has been renamed something else.
Yes I should made the dinstinction clearer.. how do you think I could do this? Should I put a little symbol next to each or new colour coding may be? I would say those on-hold projects are not completely abandoned.
Khun Enforcer! the blue buildings, different shades they may be, are meant to be those under construction have recently been approved or schedule to commence construction soon.
The Enforcer!
20-07-04, 01:24 PM
Two other items of note from my journey to luncheon today ....
1) The gates to USIS (next to the rebuilding of the Singapore Embassy) were open and it looks like the land has just been cleared. Any ideas what will be built here?
2) In Soi Phra Pranij (off Suan Phlu and Narathiwatratchanakarin) I see one plot has been cleared and another has a building going up.
The Enforcer!
Originally posted by admin
5. Next to Piman Condo is another building going up (but it is less than 20 stories). It is next to the Honda dealership on the corner. It is actually the rectangle building under the words "Piman condo" on your graphic.
oh yeh I think I know the one you mean now. It's behind Honda building? It's called Baan Siri Silom being developed by San Siri group who built many condo in Bangkok with name beginning with 'Baan' :)
some info here:
http://www.sansiri.com/th/project/sirisathorn/news/
thanks for pointing this out. I have to add this one in..
Originally posted by The Enforcer!
Two other items of note from my journey to luncheon today ....
1) The gates to USIS (next to the rebuilding of the Singapore Embassy) were open and it looks like the land has just been cleared. Any ideas what will be built here?
2) In Soi Phra Pranij (off Suan Phlu and Narathiwatratchanakarin) I see one plot has been cleared and another has a building going up.
The Enforcer!
cool!!! I would like to know what's going up next to the Singapore embassy. may be a highrise!
The Enforcer!
20-07-04, 01:49 PM
Sorry, Khun Pas, I am a little confused over your rendition at Silom (or should that be Si Lom?) and corner of Surasak.
The tall one is Jewellery Trade Tower, I thought the stepping stones one was the Holiday Inn Silom (ex-Crown Plaza, ex-Holiday Inn Bangkok!) - thus what is the next one?
The Enforcer!
Originally posted by The Enforcer!
Sorry, Khun Pas, I am a little confused over your rendition at Silom (or should that be Si Lom?) and corner of Surasak.
The tall one is Jewellery Trade Tower, I thought the stepping stones one was the Holiday Inn Silom (ex-Crown Plaza, ex-Holiday Inn Bangkok!) - thus what is the next one?
The Enforcer!
Glad you notice that. It was formerly Rama I hotel, one of the first highrise buildings in Bangkok, here it is:
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/rama1.JPG
here's a photo of the building during construction in mid 70s - note the bamboo structure scaffolding :)
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/rama1hotel.JPG
... oh I see what you mean may be it should be opposite side of Surasak road but not next to Holiday Inn?
The Enforcer!
20-07-04, 03:08 PM
Wow! After all these years of looking out from 'Window On Silom' (the old Crowne Plaza restaurant without a window at all facing Silom!) I never knew that was there!
And yes, I think, it was south of Surasak.
Thanks again - Great Map!
The Enforcer!
nice diagram. lots of things are going on around that area now. In a few years, the skyline will be nicer and denser. can't wait.
Thanks kiku. BTW I made some changes last night to the top half of the map:
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/silommap2.jpg
The Enforcer!
21-07-04, 03:35 PM
Dear Khun Pas,
You have moved Soi Suan Phlu such that it is adjacent to the Aussy Embassy, and thus moved my home and the new Suan Phlu Grand Terrace to the wrong side of the Soi!
The Enforcer!
the updated map is nice, but there are too many colors--it is easy to get confused--should only the new construction you are wanting to point out be in colors and the rest of the buildings be grey? as it is it is hard to pick out the building you want to refer to becuase other buildings are in random colors...
@Khun Enforcer! ah sorry i got it mixed up. There should be a shell gas station on the corner of Soi Suan Plu right? And that gas station is just infront of Baan Piyasathorn (same side as Sathorn Garden Towers, the Aussie Embassy) and so the new Suan Plu Grand Terrace should be behind the shell gas station but infront of Baan Piyasathorn?
pls correct me if I'm wrong, i'll amend the map.
@Ron I agree with your observation, introducing more colours does make it harder to differentiate between those buildings that already exist and those that are under construction. So I think i'll stick with the original colour scheme.
:)
The Enforcer!
26-07-04, 04:40 PM
Dear Khun Pas,
Yep, there is a gas station on the north corner with the Aussy Embassy to its left (as you view it).
Baan Piyasathon is the 5th plot on Suan Phlu - Shell is Plot 1 (It was orginally accessed from Suan Phlu), and there is a vacant space at plot 3. (Currently Talad use).
As for Suan Plu Grand Terrace - I know nothing about it except that it could be plot 3 or the newly vacated and cleared plot 9!
The Enforcer!
I made another map for the Pratunam area: green buildings are those under construction, the ones in red are on-hold.
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/ptmap.JPG
another isometric view
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/ptov2A.JPG
Is that really the final design of the Central World Hotel?
yes that's the final design. It was the winning entry from a design competition.. won by Brenan Beer Gorman (BBG) and Tamdem architects (New York) who also designed the Peninsula Hotel.
Wow, that's cool.... I think it will look great.
A drawing of it can be found here:
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=29022
BTW, I wonder about the plans for Chidlom Condominium - not included in Pas' rendering.
That would be BKK's second highest if built, replacing State Tower!
(see http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/)
Pas, do you have any information on the status?
And: what is "Times Station"?
Khun NCR
The Chidlom Tower project is now defunct. The site for that building is now slated for the Park Chidlom condominium project by Hemaraj Co. Official website here:
http://www.theparkresidence.co.th/the_park.htm
I have rendering of Time Station somewhere. It's another on-hold project proposed in the late 90s (don't think construction work has started though). I'm pretty sure the development site is next to Phya Thai Plaza, opposite Phya Thai BTS Station.
cheers
Pas
Here is a rendering of the Central World Hotel from BKK Post newspaper.
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/centralworldhotel1.JPG
Times Station (photomontage)
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/timestat.JPG
Park Chidlom
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~passean/parkchidlom.JPG
The Enforcer!
19-08-04, 09:26 AM
Dear Kh. Pas,
Have you an updated version of this?
The Enforcer!
The Enforcer!
Do you mean my updated 3D map for Silom or a road "map" for BKK CBD in general?
^ok I was just kidding. No haven't update the 3d map of Silom / Sathorn yet, been busy.. but I'll do it next week :D
The Enforcer!
21-08-04, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Pas
^ok I was just kidding. No haven't update the 3d map of Silom / Sathorn yet, been busy.. but I'll do it next week :D
Will appreciate it when you have time.
The Enforcer!
The Enforcer!
10-09-04, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by The Enforcer!
the old Russian Federation Embassy (previously I believe the Indian Department Store) looks derelict (as in 'run down') when viewed from Chong Nonsi BTS station. If it is listed or 'protected' by the FAD then no-one seems to be maintaining it! One assumes it is CPB land?
I see from yesterday's Nation that their potted history of this building is ...
1914 Built by Luang Sathorn as his home
1927 Covered into a hotel.
1948-99 Taken over as the Soviet/Russian Embassy
2005 To be restored and made part of Sathorn Square
I recall being told by a Siam Society guy that it was once a Department store but may be he meant hotel!
The Enforcer!
jpatokal
06-07-05, 12:46 PM
Time to update the Crucible of Construction (http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/MassTransit/crucible.shtml)?
8 - Art Museum - Plans alive again, now scheduled for 2006
12 - Siam Center - Massive renovation in progress
15 - Paragon - On track for opening in Oct 2005
19 - Central World Plaza - Central World Plaza office tower opened, Central World shopping mall extension at the corner under construction (est. June 2006), hotel behind it also under construction now (brand? opening date?)
21 - Royal Rajdamri - Under construction again
22 - Erawan Mall - Opened in 2005
34 - Central Chidlom - Being remodeled yet again as we speak
40 - Platinum Mall - Well under way
41 - Pratunam Center - "Scheduled for completion in 2004", but the condo towers are still under construction...
Walkway along Skytrain - Completed and opened in 2004
There's also a new condo (Something Rajprasong?) going up in the small space between WTC/CWP and the Saen Saep canal.
The Enforcer!
06-07-05, 01:18 PM
There is additionally:
Behind 20: Courtyard by Marriott Bangkok (new hotel) to be built out of the Park Lane Mansion behind the Four Seasons - Due 2007.
The Enforcer!
There's also a new condo (Something Rajprasong?) going up in the small space between WTC/CWP and the Saen Saep canal.
Khun Jpatokal, I assume you're referring to the big poster advertisement at the entry to CWT? although there's actually no development going at that site.
I believe "Baan Rajprasong" project is located in somewhere in Soi Mahatlekluang 3 (I think).. off Ratchadamri Road.
There's also a project called "Baan Klang Krung - Siam Pratumwan" by Asian Property ...more info here: http://www.apcitismart.com/ap-siam/index.htm
That is located on Petchaburi Rd, not far from Rajatevi BTS station If you go to that website and click on "Cool Place".. there's a little interactive map showing all the main attractions in Siam Square area :)
Khun Jpatokal, I assume you're referring to the big poster advertisement at the entry to CWT? although there's actually no development going at that site.Right; I also noticed that. It's weird - this "Ban Ratchaprasong" is not being built there, it seems they just put its advertisement on the perimeter wall of the (construction or whatever) site. I thought it's actually somewhere near the river (Rama 3)?
There's also a project called "Baan Klang Krung - Siam Pratumwan" by Asian Property.That is located on Petchaburi Rd, not far from Rajatevi BTS station.Ah, so according to the location map on the website mentioned by Khun Pas, that is what they are building on the site of the defunct Hollywood IT Mall that was torn down a few months ago!
The Enforcer!
09-07-05, 12:15 PM
Right; I also noticed that. It's weird - this "Ban Ratchaprasong" is not being built there, it seems they just put its advertisement on the perimeter wall of the (construction or whatever) site. I thought it's actually somewhere near the river (Rama 3)?
Is the piece of space we are talking about the land requisitioned for the Yomaraj-Rajdamri spur of the Second Stage Expressway?
The Enforcer!
Is the piece of space we are talking about the land requisitioned for the Yomaraj-Rajdamri spur of the Second Stage Expressway?
The Enforcer!Yes - its eastern end.
i thought they decided not to build that expressway extension
that project was cancelled, I think due to the local community's objections.
a map is here:
http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok/MassTransit/express.shtml#raja
So we still need to establish what that mysterious fenced-off plot next to Khlong Saen Saep actually is. Apparently it has nothing to do with the expressway, it's not the site of the Central World Plaza Complex's planned hotel, and it's not Ban Rachaprasong Condo. Just what kind of foundation works did they start there, then?
(Also compare this thread (http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16) on the cancelled expressway spur.)
The Enforcer!
13-07-05, 09:01 AM
So we still need to establish what that mysterious fenced-off plot next to Khlong Saen Saep actually is. Apparently it has nothing to do with the expressway, it's not the site of the Central World Plaza Complex's planned hotel, and it's not Ban Rachaprasong Condo. Just what kind of foundation works did they start there, then?
Maybe it is new home of Parliament House? Ideally placed so that Ministers can use the Skytrain instead of motorcades, and so that they can bring their family to work and allow them to shop in CWP, Gaysorn etc.
A direct voting link will be put in from the various Massage parlours there so that MPs needs not even get disturbed to be able to vote!
And there will be free tickets to the Food Court at Big C so as to reduce government spending on themselves!
The Enforcer!
I made two diagrams showing current building projects:
Pratunam (this map covers the 'crucible of construction' area)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/pratunam1.jpg
Silom
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/silom1.jpg
Any comments / feedback will be appreciated. Thanks :)
Wisarut
30-12-05, 10:09 AM
:D ;) aWESOME kHUN pAS :p
Yappofloyd
30-12-05, 11:39 AM
Khun Pas,
These are excellent as they give us all an easy understanding of what is being built and how big it is. The scale is an apporpiate balance of an overview but small enough for more specific locality info. Good to see you have put on the subway and BTS lines includng Taksin ext.
Thanks for your hard work.
The Enforcer!
30-12-05, 03:17 PM
I made two diagrams showing current building projects:
Pratunam (this map covers the 'crucible of construction' area)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/pratunam1.jpg
Silom
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/passean/silom1.jpg
Any comments / feedback will be appreciated. Thanks :)
Great Maps - Well done.
The Enforcer!
Hi Pas,
excellent job! These renderings are indeed awesome, as Wisarut said. This must have taken ages to create, with all the details to be found. Thanks a lot! :)
P.S. Seems The Met is gonna be MASSIVE (tall and fat)!
P.P.S. So the unfinished "little brother" of State Tower is called Sathorn Union Tower?
P.S. Seems The Met is gonna be MASSIVE (tall and fat)!
P.P.S. So the unfinished "little brother" of State Tower is called Sathorn Union Tower?
yep Sathorn Union is the name of it according to the Space View Map, other sources say 'Sathorn Unique'.
I have made a start on the map for Asoke / Ratchada Road and upper Sukhumvit. They are more complicated. For my next trip to BKK I'll have to do a big photo tour of Sukhumvit :)
If you can recall any other construction projects pls let me know. My idea is to create isometric maps which can be downloaded as PDF files (similar to Zoowatch's map with all future mass transit lines) or perhaps an interactive on-line map using Flash.
The Enforcer!
31-12-05, 04:41 PM
Dear Khun Pas,
The road marked 'Sukhumvit', by Ploenchit Arcade is actually 'Ploenchit' itself.
Happy New Year,
The Enforcer!
farangset
12-07-07, 10:47 PM
P.P.S. So the unfinished "little brother" of State Tower is called Sathorn Union Tower?
This derelict is the first I really noticed when discovering BKK in 1998 (workers were still hanging around the plant, waiting for any possible economic recovery...). Impressive style & height... but poor surroundings, despite what the proud notice reads ! Luxury condos this style should be waterfront on Chao Praya, period.
See the most achieved drawings (though small sized) at the architect/developer website :
http://www.rangsan-arch.com/propertydev_p4.htm
Regards,
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