Blue Ring Extension [Archive] - 2Bangkok.com Forum

Wisarut

27-04-04, 01:57 PM

Well, at least, the suburban section (Bangsue - Phra Nanklao - Bangyai) got the first priority due to the ease of construction (all elevated line). Ther next section is the section whcih have to go through Rattnakosin Island to Bang Khae which has to be an underground.

After that the Oramnge line will follow to pick up hose who live in Ram Khamhaeng area as well as those who live along Ratwithee Road.

The Purple lien from Samsen to Ratboorana is for thsoe whose who live in Thewet-Bang Lamphoo as well as those who live along Taksin road to Ratboorana ....

Blue lien wil become a ring line to puc those passengers along Charansanitwongse Road -> up to Tha Phra.... Even thoug I wish that it would reach Mahaisawan to pick up thsoe who live along Ratchada - Tha Phra .... Probably, they Don't want to please The Mall Group which is strictly Democrat supporters whcih hgas a branch in Tha Phra and Bang Kapi.

benkert

27-04-04, 04:37 PM

Khun Wisarut,

well is sounds interesting.
Nevertheless, the question is wether it's serious or not and
how it will be financed?

I am sure that Bangkok needs extented mass transport means inclusive subways. I lived there three years and I have some experiance.

I hope realy to keep in touch and to be informed as soon it becomes serious, and the first joint ventures will start to bit.

As I said, I was Site Manager at Bon Kai and I am able to give some experiance during tender and execution stages.

Thanks for your reply

Uwe

Wisarut

29-04-04, 01:12 AM

Khun Uwe,

Let me ask you some quick questions.

1) What is the reason Klong Toei Station has ONLY 3 Gates?

2) Why did you use side platfrom instead of the much more convenion Central platform? What cause such kind of platform arrangement? Well, Silom, Samyan and Lumphine has to get the staggering platform since they refuse to demolish Thai-Japan Flyover at Samyan Intersection and Thai Belgium Flyover at Saladaeng and Witthaya Intersection.

3) Why you use the general design on the gates of those station
instead of particular design as Hua Lamphong, Silom Lumphinee and Queen Sirikit National Convention center?

4) Many of those so-call Transaportation experts have CONDEMNED that Subway stations are very poor designed
due to the following reasons:

4.1) No Telecom Stations Installed - createing mobile phone blindspots ...

4.2) The stations are TOO Big and Wide for getting much area for rent. Even Piccadilly Station of London Tube is NOT that big ...

4.3) The distance between station is Too far way for CBD area -the distance for each station shoud NOT exceed 2000 feet far (600 m) ... but it is 800-1000 m far away for each station (some even 2.2 km -> for Kamphaengphet to Bangsue, Queen Sirikit to Sukhumvit .and Lad Phrao to Phaholyothin. It COULD cause pasengers to exhaused before reaching the station ... especially in the case of those who live in between Sirikit - Sukhumvit station
as well as thsoe who live in between Lad Phrao - Phaholyothin.
Same can be said for those who want to change the train at Silom-Salaend interchange station .... They need to have stamina of Hercules to change the train at Silom-Saladaeng since they have to climb 42 mter up .... and walk about 500 meter at the ground level to reach the station .... Even escalators are NOT much helpful at all ...

4.4) Queen Sirikit, Lad Phrao and Sukhumvit Station should be elevated since the underground sections will cause lots of troubles -> Generally, the subway station shoudl be 800 m far way -> thus the ventilator has to be desinged to ventulate the air at the maximum distance of 400 meter ... The distances between Queen Sirikit Station and Sukhumvit station as well as Lad Phrao - Phaholyothin are 2200 m away - thus the ventilator is NOT powerful enough to handle the tunnel section.

4.5) Stagging platform like Samyan, Silom and Lumphinee will cause VERY inconvenience for changing to other mode of transportation -> especially in the case of Silom station.
Either due to the land speculation as well as the construciton INCONVENINECE are not VERY good at all ...

4.6) Ticket Prices ... The rate of 14 to 36 Baht (12 to 31 Baht fir 1st year) as well as half the price for the children UNDER 12 and the old people over 65 are Still TOO Expensive .... since MRTA has NOT come up with the special passes as BTSC has DONE right now. The 30-day pass as well as 1-day pass and 3-day pass have drastically cut down the ticket prices ....

I would like to ask you that -> How can you response to those experts? Hope I got the answer very soon.

benkert

06-05-04, 01:21 AM

Khun Wisarut,

Sorry for replying so late, but as we are living here in the
dessert of Egypt, we have, from time to time ,some major problems with the Internet, means...<ofline for some days...>.

Nevertheless, even I could read your questions earlyer, I can not give you the answers. The reason is very simple : I was not member of the design team.

We as the Joint Venture BCKT have got all drawings an the more from the designers.

We were not involved in the design processus, we were executing the works on site only.

Only for small "temporary designs" we were responsible.

So I am sorry again, that I can not answer you.

Hope we will keep in contact.

Best wishes

Uwe

The Enforcer!

23-06-04, 05:56 PM

I am getting rather confused!

Some news items talk about Bangyai to Bangsue being Blue Line elevated extension, and others about it being Purple Line Phase 1, eventually going to Ratburana.

Is this the same set of tracks but people are undecided which line it will serve or like Rayners Lane to Uxbridge in London will trains serve both Blue and Purple lines?.

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Wisarut

24-06-04, 02:10 AM

It was initially Blue since it was originally the Northern extension of Blue line. However the route rearrangement has reder this line Purple. However the separated trackwill become a reality only after the Blue ring section (Thaphra - Chgaran Sanitwongse - Bang sue) has become a reality

The Enforcer!

25-06-04, 08:53 AM

Thanks Khun Wisarut,

There seem to be so many versions of Bangkok transport plans around. I wonder which ones are actually 'real' and which ones are 'press guesses'? -

- 900 Bil Baht Transport scheme - Bangkok Post 24.02.04

- 500 Bil Baht Transport scheme - Nation 29.08.03

- 400 Bil Baht Transport scheme - Thai Rath 03.02.04

- 200 Bil Baht MRTA extensions - Daily News 07.01.04

- 58 Bil Baht MRTA extensions - Bangkok Biznews 08.01.04

- 81 Bil Baht MRTA extensions - Daily News 27.02.04

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Wisarut

26-06-04, 01:30 PM

- 900 Bil Baht Transport scheme - Bangkok Post 24.02.04

This one has counted The Nationwide Dobel Tracking into the figure.

- 500 Bil Baht Transport scheme - Nation 29.08.03
This one caount ONLY MassTransit system expansion

- 400 Bil Baht Transport scheme - Thai Rath 03.02.04

This one count ONLY the nationwide doubhel tracking section

- 200 Bil Baht MRTA extensions - Daily News 07.01.04

This one counts ONLY the sections to be done first.

- 58 Bil Baht MRTA extensions - Bangkok Biznews 08.01.04
This one counts ONLY MRTA Section whcih are supposed to be done first (Purple Line or so)

- 81 Bil Baht MRTA extensions - Daily News 27.02.04
This one counts ONLY MRTA Section

The Enforcer!

26-06-04, 02:48 PM

They certainly know how to confuse people!

I presume it is just to sell newspapers - the bigger the bill, the more interest in the artricle.

Does 2Bangkok have an on-going list of all projects and what each project part's status is?

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Nekochan

21-07-04, 05:50 PM

I think LTP (or Sor Nor Kor in Thai) just changed their MRT Master Plan again. This may be the second Master Plan within 3-4 years.

Blue Line Extention North becomes the north section of Purple line. The section of Orange line from Samsen - Suksawat becomes the south section of Purple line. They are merged into a new line.

Orange line goes west to Bangkok Noi plus a new yellow line along Lad Prao.

So, what they are going to do with Lad Prao Flyover? They cannot build both!! It seems they do not have a clear cut policy which projects to be implemented!!

I will bet on the subway on Lad Prao!!

Wisarut

21-07-04, 10:34 PM

Khun Nekochan,

Orange line will DEFINITELY go to Ram Khamhaeng ... but I wish MRTA would DEMOLISH that goddamned elevated way and replace with elevatd track. Tha- Begium Elevated way and Thai Japanese elevatedway have already prevented MRTA to elevate the track from Bangsue to Sam Yan. anbd it cause the stagging design of the tracks - adding more cost.

Lad Phrtao would get yellow line LRT instead ... I wish the yellow LR will be extende to Sri Nakharin ... but Suriya Wants Expressway for speed racing of his fancy cars in fron of his Palace alogn Sri Nakharin.

Nekochan

22-07-04, 07:22 PM

Dear Khun Wirasut,

As I expected, this is why LTD has not had confirmed what they are going to implemented!! They need green light from Pu Yai to go for it.

Elevated road on Lad Prao + elevated Sri Nakarin Expressway = BKK people nightmares.

And ETA may not remember what did happen when they build toll expressway on Bangna - Trad. No motorists want to pay more, except the road they use are really jammed-packed.

Ok! TOYOTA cars will be sold like hot cake ...... as if there were no tomorrow!!

The Enforcer!

30-07-04, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Nekochan
Orange line goes west to Bangkok Noi plus a new yellow line along Lad Prao.

Yellow Line - first that I have heard of this one? Any details anyone?

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Wisarut

30-07-04, 07:50 PM

In the year 2000, the OCMLT has proposed the additional line so as to serve those wholive along Lad Phrao, Sri Nakharin and Thepharak - the Yellow Line .... However tey has extimated that ther are too few passengers to use this route .... On the rush hour will have significan amount of passengers ....

However, those people who alive along those 3 roads (Lad Phrao, Sri Nakharin and Thepharak) Comalined that those officers have missed the count .... They forget to count thsoe who live and drive along those 3 roads ...

The Enforcer!

31-07-04, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Wisarut
those people who alive along those 3 roads

I don't suppose were are talking about Ministers of the Government are we?

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Nekochan

01-08-04, 12:49 AM

OCMLT is now LTP.

Yellow line is planned as LRT feeder. I think that it is just conceptual design only. The line starts from Lad Prao (Lad Prao MRT station) - Chok Chai 4 - Bang Kapi (Flyover) then goes south along Srinakarin road - Pattanakan - Onnut (Seacon & Seri Centre?) - Teparak int - Teparak road - Somrong.

I agree with khun Wirasut that the ridership will be low (very low) as long as your MRT line does not serve high pop density area.

LRT either elevated or not does not seem to be viable (financially). I hope they will go for the rest of Blue line and the new Orange line.:confused:

The Enforcer!

01-08-04, 10:37 AM

Will this be 'feeder' as in light rail feeders lines as Singapore uses?

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Wisarut

01-08-04, 01:15 PM

Yep, that's why the Blue Ring adn orage line have to be finished first before playign aropudn with Yellow line.

BTW, The yellow line will be viable if they connect with lad Phrao Station (Blue Ring), Lum Salee (Orange Line), Hua Mark (Pink Airport Link), and Samrong (Skytrain) ... However if the extendd the line along Ratchadaphisek to SCB Park, Mochit 2, before endign up at Bangsue, that would be better

The Enforcer!

24-09-04, 05:59 PM

The Bangkok post on Wednesday reported that a Cabinet meeting due yesterday would apprve funding for this link.

Did it?

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Wisarut

01-10-04, 01:10 AM

Khun Nekochan, what is your definition of CBD areas in BKK? I know that the followign areas are CBD:

Silom, Rama 4, Pratoonam, Sathon, Sukhumvit, Bang Rak, and lesser extende to Ratchadaphisek.

Probably, they just count the old business area such as Phan Fah (Ratchadamnoen Avenue), Saphan Lek, Wang Boorapha, Yaowaraj, Bang Lumphu, Wongwian Yai, Saphan Phut and both CBD as well as the heritage area ... Same can be said to Ramkhamhaeng-Huamark and Victory Monument

chateaulik

01-10-04, 02:50 AM

What is CBD?
Center of Business District?

The Enforcer!

01-10-04, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by chateaulik
What is CBD?
Center of Business District?
It stands for Central Business District but I do not think it has been clearly defined - I would not add in Sukhumvit at all, and certainly not Pratoonam.

I would suggest it is all of Bangrak and Sathorn districts plus the lower end of Pathumwan.

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ncr

03-12-04, 01:40 PM

How will the current subway line and the Bang Yai extension be linked - are there detailed plans for that yet?

It is quite intriguing if you think about it...... it is rather complicated, as one is part of the Blue Line, the other part of the future Purple Line.

So the Blue Line will have to come out of the tunnel behind Bangsue Station - in what distance, and where?

Then after that there has to be an elevated interchange station with the Purple Line (how's that gonna look like, a perpendicular crossing - well, rather not - or something like the BTS at Siam?) But until the Blue Ring and the southern section of the Purple Line have become a reality, will the interchange have two dead ends to the West and to the South? Do passengers have to change cars at the interchange, or will there be a temporary solution where the cars can directly go from the Blue to the Purple Line? Will there be an interchange in this phase at all? Or will it be built later on? Or will there be no connection at all for the time being, and commuters will have to travel from the Purple Line terminus to the Blue Line terminus (Bangsue) by bus or other means?

I guess this issue will be part of the design plan to be submitted in the bid for the extension to Bang Yai. Or is it already decided (by OTP or whoever) in which way to realize this?

ncr

03-12-04, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Wisarut
Well, Khun NCR, the Blue line will become Purple line after changing the set of drivers at Bangsue ... after all, the first leg of purple line is ACTUALLY the Northern extension of Blue line .... before beign transforms into the Blue ring.So that means it will actually be built and operated as an extension of the Blue Line in the beginning, with no interchange station and just a change of drivers at Bangsue? And the next station after Bangsue will be Tao Poon?

Wisarut

03-12-04, 05:44 PM

Yes, Taopoon will eventually become an itnerchange station for both Blue Ring and the Purple line once the Blue ring has become a reality. Just change the drivers at bangsue and that's it.

Viviparuz

06-12-04, 08:33 PM

I wonder that how this purple line will be constructed, apart from the interchange station issue. I think that Bangkok-Nonthaburi road is very narrow and also its foothpath. There is no roadside along the centre of the road. If the line take the same as BTS design which has pillars on the center of the road, it will leave no space for either the road and foothpath.

I also cannot imagine how the line will go when come to the Bangkok-Nonthaburi road/Tiwanon road intersection because there is a flyover over there.

Wisarut

06-12-04, 08:46 PM

Khun Viviparuz, you should NEVER forget that some part of Skytran routes DID NOT have the cetral road side at all until BTS has built it .... Same can be said to the section from Tao Poon to Khae Rai (Nonthaburi Provincial Hall) - goign across the flyover at Wong Sawang Intersection (Big C Wongsawang is there), Tiwanon intersection (Big C Tiwanon is there), and Khae Rai Intersection (Tesco Lotus is there).

Maverick

09-12-04, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Wisarut
Yes, Taopoon will eventually become an itnerchange station for both Blue Ring and the Purple line once the Blue ring has become a reality. Just change the drivers at bangsue and that's it.

If it is so as khun Wisarut, how will it be for the blue line Viaduct structure ( extention ) ? .

On my opion, the interchange station will look more or less as BTS Siam station since the train from Bang su station has to turn right to Tho poon station on Bangkok - nonthaburi road first and then go backward to the blue ring section to the river as the second step.

That means the passanger of both line can continue thire travel along the whole line without interuption but big land expropriation is required for this area in order to provide enogth space for rail way curve and the station if this is the way forward.

So the construction area for the initial purple line have to be started from the Bangsu station ramp

Wisarut

09-12-04, 02:50 PM

Khun Maverick,

The ONLY catch is that Bangsue station is side platform, not central platform as Siam Station ... duye to the space constrain to prepare for the upcomign red line commuter.

Therefore the interchane between Blue Ring and Purplke line will be at Tao Poon intersection instead of Bangsue.

The Enforcer!

10-12-04, 10:52 AM

Do we have a detailed map/plan of all these extensions and new lines as they currently exist?

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R. Zimmermann

10-12-04, 01:45 PM

Why would a change of the colour designation necessitate change of drivers? Or does that mean there will be different
concessionair(s) to the MRT-extension(s), i.e. other than BMCL?

Wisarut

10-12-04, 05:58 PM

Even though the drivers could run Subway from Hua Lamphong all the wway to bang Yai, it wold be safer to change the crow at Bangsue. Stress and Strains could lead to fatal accident.

The Enforcer!

12-12-04, 10:09 AM

Think this is now covered in the Subway thread - but the Bang Yai extension is being built to operate as part of the Blue line (same train/changre crew at Bangsue or Tao Poon) until the underground central sectionof the Purple Line is completed then it transfers.

Right?

The Enforcer!

ncr

21-12-04, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by The Enforcer!
Do we have a detailed map/plan of all these extensions and new lines as they currently exist?Well, I think now your thirst for knowledge has already been quenched by Chatchawal Phansopa's latest Bangkok Mass Transit System Map, Mr. Enforcer...... (By the way, I always wonder what you are enforcing? Bar closing hours? :D)

But let me post the map's location here again for future users:

http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/MassTransit/System%20Map%205.3.pdf

And more stuff is here: Bangkok Master Plan Maps 1979, 1995, 2000-2004 (http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/MassTransit/MasterMap.shtml)

The Enforcer!

21-12-04, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by ncr
Well, I think now your thirst for knowledge has already been quenched by Chatchawal Phansopa's latest Bangkok Mass Transit System Map, Mr. Enforcer...... (By the way, I always wonder what you are enforcing? Bar closing hours? :D)

Suitably quenched!

What do I "enforce" .... arh well a nickname gained from many years of enforcing rules of game !!

The Enforcer!

Yappofloyd

06-03-05, 09:25 PM

For the last few days there have been large ads in thai placed in the Nation and Post from MRTA (today in Post, classified section, p7). I assume that the ads has been in the Thai papers as well esp. those weekly Buisness /Construction/Logistic ones.

I asked someone to briefly outline what it says but a detailed translation would be appreciated if anyone has the time.

The ad appears to be tendering for detailed design to be completed within 8 months but I am not exactly sure?

It appears to break down the contracts for the 3 subway lines as follows;

1. Blue
a) Hua Lamphong to Bang Khae - 14kms (9km elevated, 5km subway). 10 stations (6 elevated, 4 subway)
b) Bang Sue to Tha Phra - 13km all subway. 7 stations

2. Orange
Bang Kapi to Bang Bamru? - 24km (3km elevated , 21 subway). 17 stations (2 elevated, 15 subway).

3. Purple
Bang Sue? to Rat Burana - 20km (6km elevated, 14 subway). 16 stations (5 elevated, 11 subway).

Anyway, once I worked out the format it made some sense but do not rely on my info. Hopefully someone can translate. :)

mrtfreak

07-03-05, 09:12 PM

this refers to the station design, am i right?

ncr

08-03-05, 09:31 AM

this refers to the station design, am i right?No, to the design of the lines as a whole, as far as I know. (Don't have the ads at hand now, though I have also noticed them.)

Yappofloyd

08-03-05, 04:28 PM

Khun Zoowatch has posted a translation on another forum here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=166242&page=3&pp=20) , see post #54 & #56.
The tender closes tomorrow so get those documents in! ;)

Yappofloyd

15-03-05, 12:37 PM

One thing with the subway tender for line/station design is that it is obvious that the initial construction timetable will be delayed (by at least one yr) than that advertised by TRT last year. No surprise here but lets hope that a least one line partially open before the end of the decade.

The Enforcer!

07-07-05, 11:16 AM

I try to think of this logically .... It will obviously aid those in the suburban areas to have a mass transit link to the Inner City but if there is no actual mass transit in the inner city, it will be a link to nowhere!

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The Enforcer!

30-08-05, 11:21 AM

Should add Extra 6 billion Baht for Underground track from HuaLamphong to Wong Wian Yai via Charoen Rat Road

I thought this bit was to be overground with a new bridge?

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Wisarut

30-08-05, 01:24 PM

Yes,. initially, there whouyhld be arail-automobile bridge to lad Yah Road and they they change hteri mindand the n reroute to Caroenrat Road instead of Lad Ya Road ....

Now, Premier Thaksin and Cronies have played Shenanigan with that 200 billion Baht budget by redirectign the route to pass the Government House at Phisanuloke road at the expense of thsoe wholive in Nonthaburi-Bang Yai and Ram Khamhaeng-Bang Kapi

The Enforcer!

30-08-05, 02:09 PM

Now, Premier Thaksin and Cronies have played Shenanigan with that 200 billion Baht budget by redirectign the route to pass the Government House at Phisanuloke road at the expense of thsoe wholive in Nonthaburi-Bang Yai and Ram Khamhaeng-Bang Kapi
This confuses me!

The Red Line goes past Royal Turf Club to Hua Lampong.

Are you saying it ias diverted from RTC to Government House? If so, where does it go from there?

The Enforcer!

Wisarut

30-08-05, 03:26 PM

Yep, that line whcih royaltuft club will pass PM Office ... to huaLamphong or otehr place .... to Please PM ... at the expense of tose who live in Nonthaburi and Ramkhamhaeng ....

Furthermore the reason for the survivalof the Ring line is due to the fact that it passes the Leader's palace ... NO amount of Alibi would change mymind though ....

I think they even force BTS to cancel Samrogn extension to move the line go along the Old PaknamRailwaywhich has too few people ....

SUhca kidn of shenanigan would ventually UNDO the regime.

The Enforcer!

31-08-05, 07:51 AM

I think they even force BTS to cancel Samrong extension to move the line go along the Old Paknam Railway which has too few people.
Surely that is virtually impossible?

To get the track from On Nut to cut across to Th. Thang Rot Khao would mean crossing the Bangchak oil refinery?

I certainly agree that there is virtually no "passenger traffic" on that road - it is part of the Industrial Ring Road project isn't it? All the traffic I ever see, and it is heavy, are goods lorries.

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The Enforcer!

31-08-05, 08:03 AM

Yep, that line which Royal Turf club will pass PM Office ... to Hua Lamphong or other place .... to Please PM ... at the expense of those who live in Nonthaburi and Ramkhamhaeng.
Sorry Khun Wisarut, I still do not follow your logic.

The Red Line has always been in the plan. It has NOT changed routing as far as I can see and it does NOT go down Th. Phitsanulok at all. From Bang Sue it will stop at Pradiphat, Set Siri [The current Samsen station], Tuek Chai [for Chitlada], Yommaraj, Maha Nak [new station] and Hua Lamphong.

Yommaraj stop, as it is at present, is adjacent to the Royal Turf Club but still over 1km to Government House.

As it is unchanged I fail to see how it is politically motivated.

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Wisarut

23-09-05, 07:52 PM

The OTp Plan submitted to Ai Pheng has comfirmed what Khun Enforcer have said indeed! Look at the plan to get approval by Ai pheng:

OTP New Plan is to Please Ai Pheng
Manager - Sept 23, 2005
Thairath - Sept 23, 2005

OTP has submitted the plan to please MOTC Minsiter

The New plan to cut down the Mass Transit budget from 500 billion Baht to 400 Billion Baht and the savings would go to the nationawide double tracking can be described as follows:

1) Modify the Purple Line route from Bang Sue to Bang Yai to Bangsue to Bang Khen station while keeping Purple Line as Heavy Rail due to strong public demands and to feed the Red line Commuter (Rangsit - Mahachai)

2) Turn yellow Lien LRT to be Yellow Line BRT (Lad Phrao - Bang Kapi - Sri Nakharin - Samrong)

3) Keep the western red lien commuter (Bangsue - Bang son - Taling Chan) INTACT ... ready for bidding in Jan-Feb 2006.... This lien will be extend to Makkasan to fedd Suvasnnabhum AIrport Express.

4) Speed up the Blue Ring that passes Premier Thaksin's Palace to be ready be bidding in early 2006.

5) Modify the Second section of Purple Line to be Hua Lamphong - Rat Boorana for Phase2 investment.

6) Turning Orange Line MRT into Orange Line MONORAIL from Bangkapi to
Ramkham haeng station of Airprot Link near Klogn Tan Intersection ...

7) Approve the New Act to control BMCL and BTSC and set up the committee to deal with private concession holder so they can spend the budget to handle the popular BTS extensions

8) Approve the Ring BRT to run alogn Kanchanaphisek Outer Ring.

Note: even though OTP and MOTC are goign to please the voters from Bangbua Thong areaalogn with those wholvie alogn Blue Ring and BTS, those who live in Lad Phrao and ram Khamhaeng will BOO and HISS toward both OTP and MOTC. TRT MPs expectthat they are going to loss in the district from Lad Phrao - Bang Kapi - Ram Khamhaeng if they call the new election becauseOTP plan have OFFENSED those who live in those areas to such extend that TRT MPs have NO HOPE to be reelected.

Wisarut

29-09-05, 02:07 PM

Now, the Inner Circlehas INTENDEED to BULLY Bangkokians as well as the faction whcih are in touch with Bangkokians by sending those political Eunuches to wreck havoc and silence the critics from all directions.

Sooner or later, they woudl realize that they wouold have NO place
to stay in Thailand because they have create too many enemies ....

Wisarut

15-11-05, 12:22 PM

Dilemma for Blue Ring for the Bridge Across Chaophraya at Ban Pho
Avoiding Phra Ram 6 Condomenium just to Hit into School area
Thairath - Nov 15, 2005

The meeting between MRTA & BMTD [consultant for Blue Ring] and the local people at Bang Plad District on the issue of Blue ring
[Hua Lamphong -Bang Khae, Bang Sue - Tha Phra] - with 150 people attained the meeting.

There will be 4 stations on 5.5 km of track with Bang Plad district after goign across Chao Phraya from Bang Pho Pier between
Charansanitwongse 94- Charansanitwongse 96

1) Bang Oh [near Yanhee Hospital - should be Yanhee instead]
2) Charan 81 [shoudl be Bang Plad since it is very closed to Bang plad district office ]
3) Krung Thon near bang Plad Interseciton [near Premeir Thaksin's palace]
4) Boromraj Chonnanee [should be pinklaosince it is very closed to Pinklaoarea]

MRTA has to install ventialtors under stations to eliminate the dust and erect silencer wall to reduce noise along with the
new resident area as the compensation for thsoe who have to surrender theri land and the environmental impropvement

BMTA saidMRTA would issue the Land Exappropriation Decree from December 2005 to October 2007. The elevated track
for Bang sue - Tha Phra and Tha Phra bang Khae would be done in 30 months from June 2006 to December 5, 2008.
The 5-km undergrond section across Rattanakosin Island (Hua Lamphong - Tha Phra) woudl be done in 48 months from
June 2006 to June 2008. Further info can be requested bycalling MRTA at 0-2612-2444 and BMTD at 0-2645-2401

Durign the meeting, MP Phimuk Simaroj (TRT MP of Bang Plad District) hasgiven the following suggestion

1) Extra station between Krung Thon and Borom Rajchonnanee - but BMTD and MRTA have explained MP Phimuk
that extra station is on the curve of Charansanitwongse Ring which is NOT a suitable area to construct the extra station.

2) The more appriopraite names for the station which can be listed as follows:

Old name New name
Charan Sanitwongse 81 Bang Plad
Krung Thon Sirindhorn [the end of Sirindhorn Road - Auspecious name since it is the name of Princess Sirindhorn]
Boromraj Chonnanee Bang Yeekhan [the name of commune which is more familiar name than Boromraj Chonnanee]

BMTD and MRTA said they may have to change the station names according to the local people's request.

The local people also ask for the EXACT areas to be exappropriated. However, BMTD and MRTA said they still
have LOTS of Headache on the area across Phao Praya at Bang Plad. Moving away from Phra Ram 6 Condomenium
and other 2 condos on bang Plad side will be too closed to the school area.

Next meeting will be held on Nov 15 from 9AM to 11 AM at Phra Nakhon district [Bang Lamphoo], and from 1PM to 3 PM
at Samphanthawongse [Yaowaraj]

The Enforcer!

16-11-05, 09:34 AM

3) Krung Thon near bang Plad Interseciton [near Premeir Thaksin's palace]
Place or is it really a palace?

The Enforcer!

Wisarut

16-11-05, 10:09 AM

Indded, That is Wang Jan Song Lah of Premier Thaksin and Khunying Potjamarn :p :D

Wisarut

16-11-05, 11:17 AM

Exappropriating a Football Field of Wat Rajbophit Highschool
For Blue Ring Across Rattanakosin Island
Thairath - Nov 16, 2005

There was a meeeting between MRTA & BMTA and local people at Phra Nakhorn District for Blue Ring in the morning of Nov 15 with ONLY 50 people (most from bureaucrat offices) attaining the meeting. On the other hand there was 30 people durign the afternoon meetign at Samphanthawongse District.

There will be 1 underground station at Samphanthawongse district and 2 underground stations in Phra Nakhorn District
[AKA Rattanakosin Island] -> with 1.7 km undergroudn track with double tunnel and the stations will be stacked up like Silom station
due to space constrain.

1) Wat Wangkorn Kamalawat [in front of Wat Wangkorn Kamalawat - AKA Wat Leng Nei Yee] -> Samphanthawongse

2) Wang Boorapha [near Saphan Lek Bon] -> Phra Nakhon

3) Sanam Chai [in front of Wat Rajbophit to avoid hitting into Wat Pho and Grand palace] -> Phra Nakhon

Dimension of Sanam Chai station and Wang Boorapha station will be 23 meter wide, 180 meter long and 30 meter deep [the same depth as Silom station] while the Dimension of Wat Wangkorn Kamalawat station would have to be 23 meter wide, 250 meter long and 30 meter deep. All 3 stations would have to be stack up like Silom station

The representative from Wat Rajbophitschool is asking for the area to be exappopriated and BMTD said part of the football field from that school would have to be exappropriated. For the case of Wat Wangkorn Kamalawat station, it needs a major land exappropiration for the gates due to the space constrain ->19 meter wide foothpaths ... eventhough the company would try at best NOT to do any harm to Wat Wangkorn Kamalawat due to its historical significance.

It is necessary to open the surface of Charoenkrung road whcih will DO harm the commercial activities in that area. Therefore, the hefty compensations are NEEDED, but it is up to the policy from MOTC to deal with this matter.

Wisarut

23-11-05, 01:29 PM

Elevated Section of Blue Line at Phasee Charoen Followign BTS Model
With the Stairways on the Footpaths
Thairath - nov 23, 2005

Durign the MRTA-BMTD meeting with the local people at Phasee Charoen District offfice, there were 150 people attaining the meeting. BMTD told the local people that the section from Pakklong Talad to Bangkok Yai would be underground before becomgin elevated track from Issaraphab Road. The elevated tracks would followthe middle island on Phetkasem road from Tha Phra.

There will be 4 stations within Phaseecharoen district:
1) Bang Phai
2) Bang Wah
3) Phekasem 48
4) Phaseecharoen

The length of station will be down from 250 meter to 180 meter which require the reduction of commercial spaces.

There will be 4 models for the stairways

1. the standard stairway parallel with the road. This type will have escalators and elevators for the handicapped. The stairways would be outside the footpath area, so land exappriopriation NEEDED.

2. the standard stairway perpendicular with the road. This type will have ONLYthe stairway WITHOUT elevators. The stairways would be outside the footpath area so land exappriopriation NEEDED.

3. the small stairway parallel with the road and the stairways will be in the opposite direction. This type will have ONLY escalators that goes UP to the station without ELEVATORS. This type of stairway will be the same as BTS Skytrain. Therfore, No NEED for land exappropriation since it covers ONLY the footpath area.

4. the small stairway parallel with the road and the stairways will be in the SAME direction. This type will have ONLY escalators that goes UP to the station and the stairway will be the same as BTS Skytrain. Therfore, No NEED for land exappropriation since it covers ONLY the footpath area.

For the interchange at Bang Wah for the Future Connection with BTS, MRTA said theywill be connected with BTS eventually.

MRTA would give the priority for environment durign andafter teh consturction with the continuting environment assessment.
Therfore, MRTA need cointinuing publci opinions to guarantee full satisfaction.

MRTA would also pay the landowners at the satisfying rate since ther will be committee to make an assessment on the land exappripriation by applying the market rates of land prices.

NOTE: Expect CONFLICT of interest between the Handicapped and the landowners along the route because the handicapped want ELEVATORS in every station while the landowners REFUSE to surrender their land unless they get paid at hefty prices.

Yappofloyd

25-11-05, 05:38 PM

Having been looking at the articles being posted for the last month or so and the ongoing public consultations, I am really at a loss, even for Bangkok projects, to understand why all of the plannig was not finalised years ago given that it was always the original intention to have the ring line? Given that the construction of the first stage opened nearly 2 years later than first expected and construction started in 1999 what were BMTA and MRTA doing for all those years about intial planning, and perhaps detailed design, for the remaninder of the ring??? Obviousuly not a lot.

So some business owners and shop keepers probably would have invested funds/works in some areas on land where the subway was planned to run. leaving asied those speculators trying to 'milk' extra compo there would be some that feel understandably disrupted.

On the handicap access front it is good that there is a commitment to ensure handicap access at all stations, in accordance with international standards for new mass public transport, but it does seem to me base don the current subway that some of the land appropiation was unnecessarily large. Some of the vacant land around entry and exit points of the subway along Ratchada highlights this.

ncr

26-11-05, 04:13 PM

The Enforcer!

28-11-05, 08:40 AM

Instead, they have to waste another couple of months with planning. :mad:
...Arh but the politicians have changed over the years so they need to pay a new set of "fees"!

The Enforcer!

Wisarut

29-11-05, 10:13 PM

MRTA Eplaing the Local people of Bangkok Noy
Scaling Down the Sation Size
Local Poeple want the Connections with Canal Pier
Thairath - Nov 29, 2005

There was the meeting between MRTA-BMTD and local people of
Bangkok Noy on the Blue ring that pass Bangkok Noy District at 9 AM
of Nov 28, 2005 with 50 local people attanding.

Ther will be 2 stations on this route

1) Bangkok Noy
2) Phran Nok

However, those who live in Bangkok Noy district have splitted opinion on Bangkok Noy station as well as phrannok station.

1) Change the name from Bangkok Noy to Bang Khun Non since the station
is on Bang Khun Non Intersection as well as Chanasanitwonse 53

2) Those who live in Wat Suwannaram Neightbourhood in Charansanitwonse 59 told MRTA that

"Keep the name of Bangkok Noy station but the station MUST be moved to the pier on Bangkok Noy Canal for convenient connection with the Long tail boat! Many of us have to ride long tail boats to Bang Kruay and Pakklong Talad!"

3) the Stairways for Both Phrannok and Bangkok Noy station Must be the SAME form as BTS .... sicne they REFUSE to surrender the land for makign comfortable stairways for the Handicapped due to the narrow space (4-m wide footpaths)

4) the distance between each pilar will be 35 meter with the box structure with more curvy and lighter structure than BTS.

5) Phran Nok station must be connected to the future BTS Pinklao extension

Most local people ask MRTA on the land exappropriation issue. MRTA said they just ask roya decree to survey the land ... until they have finanlize the place to construct the stations.

Wisarut

12-12-05, 01:37 PM

Blue Ring May Cuase the Collapse of Santa Crus Church in Thonburi
Dailynews - Decemebr 12, 2005

There was a discussion between MRTA and local people of Thonburi on Blue ring Issue
at Thonburi District on Dec 8, 2006 with 100 people Attained the meeting.

There is No station in Thonburi District since the first station in Thoburi is in Bangkok Yai
.... HGowever the track myst go across chao Phraya to pass Thonburi district which
will cause many buildings to collapse .... esp the old Santa Crus catholic Church whcih
is more than 80 years old (built to replace the old one in 1913 - the oldest one can be
dated back to abotu 200 years ago durign the time of Kign Taksin the great).
Sata Crus Church has NO supportign pillars at all.

Assistant MRTA Governor Chookiat Phothiyanuat explained the local people that
MRTA would ensure that NO damage on those buildigns in Thonburi durign the construction
of Blue Ring since it wat construct 30 meter DEEP from the surface - the clay level which
is good to absorb the vibration. Ther Drill headf would have the control system to readjust the drillign pressure to be constant all the time.

Furthermore, ther will be the buildign inspection ... and they will halt the construction if there is a change on the buildigns alogn the route and they will havee to pay the compensation on the damaged buildings.

Note: Now, Many Thai netters have dug into the scandals of Former Governor Praphat .... many accused him of

1) corruptions on the purchase of the special low power fluorescense light bulbs
which require SPECIAL orders to replace every time it was burnt out and

2) incompetency on the handlign of Power Supply Design by letting the power Supply of MRT form bang kapi and Huay kwang to have Series connexction instead of Parallel connection ... so the power outage at either Bang kapi or Huay Kwang would cause power outage at Subway track ... totally UNACCEPTABLE.

To be fair, MEA is to be blame for the power outage sicne they have NOT replaced the good old transformers whcih have been comissioned for 30-40 years. Theerfore it needs frequent inspection and replacement of systems as quaterly basis (every 3 months)

3) The corruption combined with incompetency on the design of the tracks from Thailabnd cultural center to Depot whcih cause the first Subway accident in Thailand.

4) Ther was a rumour that several wrokers of subcontractors were Suffocated to Death durign the plate laying (track laying) due to the incompetency of thsoe who run power supply above by turning off ventilators so they can run the aircon withotu power outage problem.

andysamjo

07-02-06, 12:37 PM

Hi,

I'd be grateful if anyone could let me know which Consultants are doing the design for the next stages of subway construction and what the likely timetable is for underground construction to start.

Many thanks

Nekochan

15-02-06, 02:07 AM

It is BMTD Consortium which includes TEC, TEWET (Berlin), TESCO, and some consultants. But not from AEC + PCI side.

Project schedule??? I don't have any clue. But it seems Purple North from Bang Sue-Phra Nang Klao will go first. MRTA is conducting a study for minimum scenario case for 2010 which is:

Purple: Bang Sue-Phra Nang Klao (or to Bang Bua Thong)
Blue: Hua Lampong-Lak Song (or Bang Sue-Tha Phra)
Orange:No Orange Line!! Sorry you guys!

Minimum Scenario = THE GOVERNMENT IS BROKE

Please check http://www.mrta.co.th/news/doc-news/MainPoint.pdf

IN THAI!!

Wisarut

15-02-06, 08:47 PM

Khun Nekhon Chan,
The Omission of Orange line is nto a surprise to me at all since it pss Ramkhamhaeng U. .... The U. that Kicked the Spoiled Brat of the Great Leader out - and the hotbed fo the Democrat .Therefore, teh Geat leader has to revenge by depriving the Orange lien despite fo the fact that there are lots of demand for that line in Ramkhamhaeng - Hua Mark stadium area. :p ;) :D

ncr

15-02-06, 09:42 PM

The U. that Kicked the Spoiled Brat of the Great Leader out - and the hotbed fo the Democrat.They kicked him out? How Come? (Pun intended. :p ) Please tell us more! What was he studying there anyway?

Apart from that, wanting to cut the Orange Line is of course outrageous, but haven't we mentioned that a million times, and who am I telling that.

ncr

15-02-06, 09:47 PM

MRTA is conducting a study for minimum scenario case for 2010Great! We need more studies. We don't need implementation.

Minimum Scenario = THE GOVERNMENT IS BROKE:D :( :eek:

*hysterical laughter*

Wisarut

15-02-06, 10:16 PM

RU. has kicked that guy out since he CHEATED examination ...

OH, he also failed at Thamasart U. when he was a freshmen ...
before he went to RU.

ncr

15-02-06, 11:32 PM

Thammasat is a no good anyway - they tend to always protest against everything (starting back in 1973)!

The government should never build a subway for them! ;)

Wisarut

16-02-06, 09:17 AM

Pinklao extension from National Stadium to Phran Nok via ratchadamnoen Avenue would Please Thammasart Student ... if they added the station between Thonburi railway station and Khok Wua Intersection (the station clostest to Khao San road). :p ;) :D

ooddy

01-03-06, 10:28 PM

Would all those become a moot point anyway because of the mega-projects scenario?
Which combine 10 lines into design-build-operate-maintain-finance---and whatever else grand ideas that the proposer can come up with to please the Thai Government in order to get the job.

The Enforcer!

02-03-06, 09:09 AM

Wasn't it all a ploy to win the 2005 General Election - no one seriously believed these Mega-Projects would ever happen do they?

The Enforcer!

ooddy

02-03-06, 12:28 PM

I still like to see some progress on the rail project for whatever means. I'm a rail nut. Whoever can find a way to inch ahead, I'll vote for him...May be this will be a good platform for campaign...for the next couple of months...

Yappofloyd

09-01-07, 02:28 PM

I really do find it strange that there are still areas of uncertainty about the Blue line given that it was always intended to be a circle line (when first proposed in the late 90s) and that there were a number of public consultations in late 2005 and early 2006 regarding the extension of the Blue Line. I mean what have people been doing for the last six years.....?:confused:

Of course the Blue Line will affect the environment of Rattanakosin Island, most likely it will significantly imporve it, along with the purple line, by reducing traffic and pollution!

Electric train lines put on fast track Bidding on Red Line to be opened in March PRADIT RUANGDIT AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK - Bangkok Post 09/01/07

Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister M.R. Pridiyathorn Devakula has ordered relevant agencies to speed up five electric train projects, with the Red Line being the first to open for bidding in March. After chairing a meeting of a government committee responsible for following up on the progress of the planned routes, M.R. Pridiyathorn said the panel agreed to call bids for the Red Line (Rangsit-Bang Sue-Taling Chan) in March and for its extension (Bang Sue-Makkasan-Hua Mark) in July.

Bidding for the Purple Line (Bang Yai-Bang Sue) is expected to open in May, and in July for the Blue Line (Hua Lamphong-Tha Phra, and Bang Sue-Tha Phra-Bang Khae) . Meanwhile, the committee is to review and streamline bidding procedures for the Green Line (Mor Chit-Saphan Mai, and Soi Baring-Samut Prakan) so that bids could be called soon. The five lines are estimated to cost about 165 billion baht. M.R. Pridiyathorn said the government would issue bonds and seek loans from the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) to finance their construction.

Deputy Transport Minister Sansern Wongcha-um said the Blue Line has run into some land expropriation problems, particularly at Wat Mangkorn Kammalawas community in Chinatown. Further negotiations would be held with local residents to find out if they wanted an electric train route in their neighbourhood or not, he said. Kriangsak Lohachala, chairman of the Mass Rapid Transit Authority of Thailand (MRTA) committee, said concerns had been raised over the Blue Line project design.

It is feared that construction of its underground section from Hua Lamphong to Tha Phra would affect the environment of Rattanakosin Island, which is the old city area of Bangkok. The MRTA committee finally resolved that the underground section would be maintained, said Mr Kriangsak. MRTA plans to hold talks with the Rattanakosin Island committee to discuss the controversy and work out solutions by Jan 17, he added.

According to the project design, a subway station is to be built in the old city area at Sanamchai. The Rattanakosin Island committee fears its construction will affect the historic site and wants the station relocated. However, an MRTA source said the agency did not think the subway construction would cause any environmental impact. Sanamchai was considered the best location and Rachinee school, located nearby, was strongly in favour of the proposed site, the source added.

Pas

16-01-07, 08:35 AM

Well they really have no choice but going underground :) In fact it would facilitate conservation effort of Ratanakosin Island, for example they could turn the metro station into a sort of museum like they did in Athens.

ncr

16-01-07, 02:37 PM

In fact it would facilitate conservation effort of Ratanakosin Island... and maybe they could turn some historical streets into pedestrian zones after an extensive mass transit network has been completed. (Sorry, just fantasizing.)

Seriously, there are other things far more damaging to the cultural/architectonical heritage of this city, not least the horrendous road traffic and the resulting pollution. Yet, did you ever hear any criticism about new roads being built in Bangkok? But when they plan to construct a rail line, people suddenly come up with concerns about the environmental impact and conservation issues?! :(

Yappofloyd

17-01-07, 01:37 PM

^Khun ncr, exactly! We are on the same track here as I have written pretty much the same thing on the skyscrapercity thread on the same issue of creating more pedestrian and open space by geeting vehicles off the road. Vehicles which obvious pollute the whole area and which you rightly say that no one ever seems to complain about new road construction. Shock, horror but BMA could even close some roads in Chinatown.

Khun Pas and others even wisely suggested a tram network to feed and supplement the trains lines planned.

Wisarut

08-07-07, 10:49 PM

Land Exappriation along Blue Ring - from Royal Garzette
Matichon - 8 July 2007

Bangsue - Tha Phra
http://www.matichon.co.th/newsphoto/newsrelate/200707080850420.jpg

Hua Lmaphong - Bang Khae
http://www.matichon.co.th/newsphoto/newsrelate/200707080850421.jpg

Royal Garzette Vol. 124 No. 31 - 6 July 2007 has stated the land exappropriation for Blue Ring ... allowign MRTA officers make a survey on these land before makign offical plan for land exppaopriation.

This Hua Lamphong - Bang Khae section will cover Prathumwan, Bang Rak, Pomprab Satroophai, Samphanthawongse, Phra Nakhon, Thonburi, Bangkok Yai, Phaseecharoen, Chomthong, and Bang Khae District ... to get the land for park and ride as well as the track

This Bangsue - Tha Phra will cover Bangsue, Bang Plat, Bangkok Noy and Bangkok Yai to allow the building of Park and Ride alogn with the track

This will be mixed with elevated tracked, at grade section and subway ... accordign to the land condition ...

GWR

23-07-07, 10:36 PM

23 July 2007
Ministry of Transport admits delays to MRT Blue Line extension
The Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) Blue Line extension will be delayed for 8 months due to the effect of construction work on local historical sites.

The Deputy Minister of Transport Mr. Sansern Wongcha-um (สรรเสริญ วงศ์ชะอุ่ม) admitted that extension work on the Mass Rapid Transit's (MRT) Blue Line from Hua Lampong (หัวลำโพง) to Bang Khae (บางแค) will be delayed by 8 months due to the Ministry of Environment and Natural Resource's opposition to the project. An environmental committee under the ministry has concluded that the Blue Line's extension route will damage local historical sites both in terms of aesthetics and building safety.

Official fear that MRT construction work will damage the foundation of historic structures due to vibrations. Wat Pho is among one of many historical sites believed to be affected by the Blue Line's extension. Mr. Sansern said that proposals for alterations to the Blue Line's route are required, and will take 8 months to finalize.
Reporter : RTI-Reporter06

http://thainews.prd.go.th/newsenglish/previewnews.php?news_id=255007230026

The Enforcer!

24-07-07, 09:09 AM

Like the route has been a secret since 2001?

The Enforcer!

Yappofloyd

25-09-07, 03:23 PM

I still cannot believe that after all of these years they are still finalising the design of the Blue Line which was originally planned in the late 90s!

Purple Line payments imminent MRTA: Land to be transferred next year
KANANA KATHARANGSIPORN Bkk Post 25/09/07

The Mass Rapid Transit Authority of Thailand (MRTA) will start paying the nine billion baht it owes for land expropriation along the Purple Line next month, according to MRTA governor Prapat Chongsanguan. He expected the payments to be complete within the year so that MRTA can start expropriation, demolition and clearing of land within 60 days of the payment. It expects to transfer lands for construction to the contractor next year.

The lands that were expropriated include 1,014 plots costing about nine billion baht. Most of the smaller plots would be used for the construction of stations, entrances and exits. The largest plot of more than 100 rai is located in Bang Yai, the site of the Purple Line terminal, where the MRTA would build a maintenance and repair centre. It will have an expropriation price of about 2.9 billion baht.

There will also be four large plots for park-and-ride buildings. One will be located at Bang Phai station at the Purple Line terminal in Bang Yai on Kanchanaphisek Road. Another will be located at Bang Yai Intersection station on Rattanathibet Road, Tha It station near the Tha It intersection and Nonthaburi Intersection 1 station near Nonthaburi Bypass Sanam Bin Nam Road.

(Blue Line)
Meanwhile, land expropriation for the Blue Line between Bang Sue and Tha Phra will involve fewer plots than the Purple Line as the traffic islands and footpaths along the Blue Line that will be used for stations, entrances and exits are larger. ''In some parts [of the Blue Line] like in the Yaowarat area, land prices are very high so we have to use a subway instead,'' said Mr Prapat. The largest plot will be a maintenance and repair centre at Phetkasem 48 Station, opposite Phetkasem Soi 48, covering more than 100 rai.

''Land and property owners can appeal to the court if they are not satisfied with the prices,'' Mr Prapat added. Since the construction of the first MRTA subway line from Hua Lamphong to Bang Sue, there have been many appeals from land owners. The MRTA has a budget of 500 million baht for paying them if it loses. ''Our design will be concerned with security first and people's inconvenience second,'' says Mr Prapat. ''Security is the top priority for the mass-transit system. If there is an emergency, we must deliver as many passengers as we can. The world's security system standard determines an evacuation of all people within six minutes.''

Currently, the Blue Line from Bang Sue to Tha Phra is in the process of initial design, with details scheduled for completion next month. As soon as the design is finished, the MRTA will estimate prices before setting up a committee to set the prices. The committee will have representatives from every related district and the Land Department. The MRTA expects to start land expropriation for the Blue Line by early 2008 and finish the process by the fourth quarter of the year.

mdechgan

26-09-07, 01:11 PM

So are the blue and purple lines confirmed for bidding and construction yet?
Purple being PK to Rattanakosin and Blue being Bang Khae- Hualampong.
Has teh budget been approved or is still in the decision stages?

Wisarut

26-09-07, 04:07 PM

GWR

05-10-07, 09:07 PM

Now, Thai government is looking for the loan from CHiense EXIM Bank as the alternative to JBIC sicne it has much less string attached.

Govenrmen Apporved Budget for Purple Line
Budget allocation will be as follows;

Civil Work 31.217 billion Baht
Consultant on Civil Works 1.248 Billion Baht
Total: 32.465 billion Baht

Land Exapporpiration: 9.314 billion Baht

The condition for this project is:
1. Using Thai labor and local knowhow as much as possible.
2. The bidding process needs to be under audit from the outsiders.
3. No shortcut for piddign process ALLOWED.
4. Need commercial developemnts to compensate for cheap ticket price.

MOF is lookign for 400 million Baht loan form Chinese EXIM Bank to finance this project.

However MOF said they don't want other BMCL to run teh purple line despite of the fact that Private section has a duty top supply rollign stock and electrification and system installation. Therore heavy loss expected for this pruple line.

http://www.manager.co.th/Daily/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9500000116685

JBIC likely to finance red-and blue-line rail projects

BANGKOK, Oct 5 (TNA) – Despite a long-delayed decision, the Japan Bank for International Cooperation is very likely to provide loans to finance construction of red- and blue-line electric rail routes because the bank has already sent officials to estimate the costs and benefits of the project, according to Director-General Pongpanu Svetarundra of Thailand's Public Debt Management Office.

Mr. Pongpanu conceded that JBIC had not yet given a final decision whether it would provide lending or not to finance the purple-line Bang Sue- Bang Yai electric rail route, but suggested that the bank's experts demonstrated serious Japanese intentions regarding to project.

Should the bank want to lend to the project, he said, it must present its answer by the end of this month. Otherwise, the state agency responsible must opt for local funding.

However, he believed, the problem would not cause a delay in a bidding process.

Regarding a news report that a Chinese financial institution wanted to lend to finance the project, he said, it is one option being discussed because the loan had certain binding terms and conditions.

Borrowing from JBIC must be given a priority because it involves a joint agreement made earlier.

He said local contractors had a chance to implement the project if the loan was sought locally.

Mr. Pongpanu added that it remained undetermined whether the actual transit services should be provided under the public-private partnership.

Details on the matter must be discussed and clarifications be made to ensure transparency. (TNA)-E005

http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=32030

Wisarut

07-02-08, 11:48 AM

Now SRT men have thrown concrete sleepers to Ai Samak's plan for regauging. They pointed out the massive reguaging is NOT at 300 Billion Baht as Ai Samak has claimed.

The actual cost for reguaging ALONE will be 4.3 Trillion Baht (4300 billion Baht) ... Thej new set of rollign stocks will cost at least 3 Trillion Baht and it will take 20 years or more to implement

REF: Thaipost - 7 feb 2008

Wisarut

03-04-08, 12:50 PM

Please Speed Up Bangsue - Tha Phra Section to Blue Ring
March Forward and Turn Left (Letter to Editor on BKK Issue)
Dailynews- 3 April 2008

Those who live along Charan Sanitwongse Ring (Part of Ratchadaphisek Ring) has sent the letter to Editor ... The letter sadi that:

MRTA, Please speed up the Blue RIng (Bangsue - Tha Phra section) as soon as possible ... We have fed up with traffic jam along Charan Sanitwongse Ring
... Furhtermore, the continuing Fuel Hike have already BURNT our wallets to such extend that we want to sell our cars to take Blue Ring ride.

OUR MPs in Thonburi area seem to do NOTHING to speed up the Bue Rign Project.

Please ask for the LOAN from JBIC or so to finance this section as soon as possible ... Those who live in Nonthaburi got the Purple Line ... WHY NOT the Blue Ring for us?

Sure, Taksin extension across Chao Phraya is about to start ... but we need Blue Ring to ensure that people from all corner of Thonburi area got Subway/Skytrain lines.

Please, NO MORE Political Football (PPP vs. DEM - Central Government vs. BMA) ... We have fed up with this kidn of political football whcih delay Subway/Skytrain project and aqdd moire construction cost!

GWR

16-05-08, 12:08 AM

Blue line railway to be put to the Cabinet next week

Minister of Transport Santi Phrompat (สันติ พร้อมพัฒน์) revealed that the blue line train project from Hualumpong to Bang Kae has had its construction funding plan reviewed by the Office of the National Economic and Social Development Board (ONESDB). The issue will be passed on to the Cabinet next week. After approval from the Cabinet, the Ministry of Transport and the Mass Rapid Transit Authority of Thailand will begin negotiations with JBIC to decipher loans.

The minister of transport continued to say that the ONESDB must also consider a a shared investment act for the operation of the blue line. The ministry aims to have all rail lines conform to a shared investment act, to avoid future problems.
15 May 2008
Reporter : RTI-Reporter01
http://thainews.prd.go.th/newsenglish/previewnews.php?news_id=255105150019

The Enforcer!

16-05-08, 02:04 PM

Blue line railway to be put to the Cabinet next week
Does anyone know if this is the 'original' Blue Line (Tha Phra-Bangsue-Hualamphong-Tha Phra-Lak Song) or the 'Samak' Blue Line (Tha Phra-Bangsue-Klong Toei-Hualamphong/Klong Toei-Rama III-Tha Phra-Lak Song) ?

The Enforcer!

Yappofloyd

16-05-08, 02:46 PM

Does anyone know if this is the 'original' Blue Line (Tha Phra-Bangsue-Hualamphong-Tha Phra-Lak Song) or the 'Samak' Blue Line (Tha Phra-Bangsue-Klong Toei-Hualamphong/Klong Toei-Rama III-Tha Phra-Lak Song) ?

The Enforcer!

It is the original Blue Line (finally). The Samak Gold line would not have made it from his napkin drawing to any preliminary design yet.

The Enforcer!

16-05-08, 03:06 PM

It is the original Blue Line (finally). The Samak Gold line would not have made it from his napkin drawing to any preliminary design yet.

Good point.

The Enforcer!

GWR

27-05-08, 11:34 PM

Cabinet approves Blue Line electric train project

Governor of the Mass Rapid Transit Authority of Thailand (MRTA), Praphat Jongsanguan (ประภัสร์ จงสงวน), informs that the Cabinet meeting today has approved the construction of the blue electric train extended route or the Blue Line. The Ministry of Finance will contact the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) to request for loans for the construction.

The governor says the Blue Line, starting from Bang Sue (บางซื่อ) to Bang Khae (บางแค), will be constructed under a 56-billion-baht budget and JBIC will send its officials to assess the project within six months before the bidding in December. The construction is expected to kick off early next year.

The Finance Ministry will revise budgets of all electric train route extension projects following the spiraling of oil prices and submit the new budgets to the Cabinet meeting next week.
http://thainews.prd.go.th/newsenglish/previewnews.php?news_id=255105270015

But if you want to confuse yourself even more on the issue of whether this is a 'ring' or an 'extension', read the following piece of complete gobbledy-gook:

MRTA ready to bid for Blue line project

(BangkokPost.com) – The Mass Rapid Transport Authority is prepared to place its bid to construct the Blue line extension route for the light rail project once the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) approves of loans for the project.

MRTA governor Prapat Chongsanguan said current oil prices will mean that the starting bid for the project will be high, but agreed that a delay in the construction process will mean that prices will continue to go up.

The Blue line extension route, approved by cabinet on Tuesday, will run from Bang Sue to Ta Pra and from Hua Lamphong to Bang Khae.

Link may expire:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=127873

Wisarut

29-05-08, 12:19 PM

Now, the Shadow Government (Democrat) agree that the Blue Ring MUST be constructed at all cost ... including the JBIC loan ...

However, the loyal opposition would like to ensure that the government and the contractors would not commit corruption and collusion to fill up the coffers at the expense of taxpayers ...

Wisarut

18-09-08, 11:59 AM

JBIC Loan Conditions for Blue Ring, Red Commuter and Purple Line
Thai Post - 18 September 2008
Matichon Daily - 18 September 2008
Prachahcart thurakij - 18 September 2008

JBIC has set up the condtions for the loans to finance Blue Ring, Red Commuter and Purple Line ... if Thai governement REALLY want cheap loan at 0.1-0.2% annual rate with 40-year payment and 10-year grace pereiod of principle instead of the regular rate of 1.4-1.5% - saving by ten billions of Baht for the 25-year payment with 7-year grace period for principle ... The followign conditions must be met:

1. 30% of construction materials alogn with the rolling stocks and signals must be purchased from Japanese firms.

2. The loan will be paid steps by steps instead of a big chunk

3. Japanese contractors are the main contractors for the projects.

However, MRTA is going to negotiate with MRTA that JBIC should allow local contractors to be one of the main construction contractors while Japanese firms are the main contractors for the rolling stocks and signals which Thai firmes have NO expertise at all.

The decision will come out from Thai government on 24 September even thoug the final decision will be in October 2008 so aas to start the bidding for the constractors in December 2008 and the contract siging will be held in July 2009.

MRTA has sete the condition that Blue ring and Purple line must connection with the existing MRTA blue line to allow rollign stock interchanges. Therfore, the investment on the signal translator installsion is a must.

Blue ring need 80.410 billion Baht to finance the project which consisted of

JBIC loan of 75.995 billion Baht - 48.821 billion Baht for Vicil Work, 2.174 billion Baht for consultant, and 25 billion Baht for rolling stocks and ticket system

Domestic loan/Budget 5.9 billion Baht for land exappropriation

In the Budget year of BE 2552, MRTA has received 45.1 billion Baht loan for purple line - 15.3 billion Baht from domestic loan and 29.7 billion Baht JBIC loan.

mdechgan

18-09-08, 02:37 PM

So which part of the blue line is approved?
The Hualampong - Bang Khae one or the Bang Sue - Tha Phra one?

Wisarut

18-09-08, 03:40 PM

So which part of the blue line is approved?
The Hualampong - Bang Khae one or the Bang Sue - Tha Phra one?

I think both sections of Blue Ring have already passed Environmental Impact Asessment (EIA) ... so the government is goign ahead to get the loan for this project ... One they have gotten the loan, nobody could obstruct this project until it is done. :p;)

mdechgan

19-09-08, 12:26 PM

So would it be confirmed that this would be an underground track?
Will they be using the same Siemens trains as the subway or another brand?
Are the station locations confirmed yet?

Wisarut

19-09-08, 01:06 PM

So would it be confirmed that this would be an underground track?
Will they be using the same Siemens trains as the subway or another brand?
Are the station locations confirmed yet?

Undergroudn track from Hua Lamphonng to bangkok Yai - elevated for the rest.

However JBIC has set teh condition that MRTA must buy signals and rolling stocks from Japanese firsm .. so Mitsubishi is a winner for signal and Nippon Sharyou-Kawasaki are the winners for rolling stocks ... the signal translators have to be installed to ensure that rolling stocks of different companies could run on the same tracks.

mdechgan

19-09-08, 04:39 PM

Wisarut

19-09-08, 05:30 PM

I just don't see how this is going to work.
Mitusbishi, Kawasaki, Siemens, undergound, elevated.
Will any of these be connected or will we have to walk and change stations and trains? How will they connect the underground rail to the elevated rail unless these are to be separate tracks. So will the entire line have like two -three different car types?

The system of Purple line and Blue RING have to be connected with the existing Blue line since all come from MRTA even though the rolling stocks and signal system come from different companies. This implied that thsoe companies have to ensure that their signal systems and traffic systems could communicate with the existing system -> need a translator system.

One thing to be sure, MRTA is askign BMCL to run the blue line 1 km more to reach Tao Poon station when Tao Poon station is done.

Yappofloyd

21-09-08, 05:36 PM

One thing to be sure, MRTA is askign BMCL to run the blue line 1 km more to reach Tao Poon station when Tao Poon station is done.

So based on the experience of the past decade, the extra 1 km will take 5 yrs to complete?

mdechgan

22-09-08, 12:43 PM

Wisarut

22-09-08, 12:58 PM

Well it depends if there are any PPP members homes or possible influences or advantages, personal gains the PPP might get.

If its an opposition governor this time then yes it will take like 5 years and possibly the stations won't be connected because of different tracks or signal systems.

For the case of Purple line - PPP men have already run the land speculation on Nonthaburi - Bag Yai area Furthermore, PPP has dominated in Nonthaburi - bang Yai area

For the case of Blue Ring, the Big Boss of PPP and his family used to live at Charansanitwongse 69 while the coalition lived alogn Charansanitwongse ... so all the system MUST be connected at all cost!

The ONLY obstruction is Tao Poon resident who take side with Democrat ... and the current Matropolitan Mafia - Tao Poon is the intersection point between Blue Ring and Purple Line.